Why do some porn users develop sexual malfunctions and others don't?

Discussion in 'Erectile Dysfunction / Delayed Ejaculation' started by Pete McVries, Jul 18, 2019.

  1. Pete McVries

    Pete McVries Well-Known Member

    That's a question that has been baffling for me since I first got to know about the destructive nature of high-speed internet porn.

    Personally, I developed PIED before tubes sites even were a thing (or before I started using them). So there were no multiple tabs for me, I mainly watched DVD-Rips on a crappy tube tv. Some people watch HD porn on tube sites for years and don't seem to be fazed at all when it comes to their sexual functioning.

    Moreover, why do some people develop PIED, others PE and even others DE? And the poorest souls hit the jackpot and get PE and PIED.

    How would you explain it? What's your best guess? And why are there still no studies out there which probe the causes of it? Are we just more sensitive to audio-visual stimuli than others? Is there an evil dungeon master in the back who rolls the dice every time a young boy gets exposed to porn?

    Feel free to chime in!
     
  2. Guts

    Guts Active Member Staff Member

    It is interesting. I do remember when I first started masturbating without porn, that it wasn't very satisfying, I was looking at porn before then, mostly my mothers catalogues etc. When I did start PMOing it was like everything clicked. I am starting to believe that it could just be the conditioning that porn does to the brain regardless of how it's consumed.

    I'm sure that some of us are more susceptible to PIED. Every brain is different, perhaps we were born with lower dopamine receptors? It sucks, but I bet there is probably an evolutionary advantage to that.

    I also think PIED is still in infancy. Both of my friends that are at the same age as me PMO daily, if they keep it up they might develop it later in life. I think in a few decades we will have the answers to these questions.
     
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  3. -Luke-

    -Luke- Well-Known Member

    I am interested in that question, too and I unfortunately don’t have an answer. What makes questions like this so hard to answer is – even apart from the missing research – that all of us are totally different. I always thought that the extremity of content or duration and the age you started were variables here. And it may be for many people. From what I see that’s not the case with you, Pete. What’s also interesting is that you had severe PIED from an early age but recovered from it within around 100 days while others developed less severe PIED and needed up to 2 years to recover.

    I myself never had really severe PIED. When I had my first girlfriend I was able to get it up most of the time. Sometimes I had a 100% erection, sometimes I couldn’t get it up, most of the time it was something between. But it was never really severe. My main problems were low motivation, low energy, stress and social anxiety. From a sexual standpoint my problem was/is more PE than PIED. I always thought that was plain pavlovs dog conditioning. When I was young I wanted to get over it as fast as possible because I feared my parents would walk in on me.

    Maybe part of the answer is just genetics. Why are some people able to drink alcohol very regularly without developing an addiction and others aren’t? Why are some people more prone to depression than others? I don’t know.
     
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  4. Big Lebowski

    Big Lebowski Member

    I conditioned myself for PE and PIED by just getting off for binge pmoing. I never edged so long and my sessions would be done within 5-15 mins, three times a day.
     
  5. Bilbo Baggins

    Bilbo Baggins Active Member

    Interesting question. It’s true that Gary Wilson says the turning point was reached in 2006, with the arrival of porn tube sites and high-speed internet. I was born in 1988 and already had PIED in 2005. I only used to watch VHS and DVDs when I was a teen... But I would have long sessions, around one hour or so. In my case, that was enough to bring PIED. Of course, tube sites did not help my case when they arrived...
     
  6. LycurgusTheLawgiver

    LycurgusTheLawgiver New Member

    As others have remarked above, this is a very interesting question; one which could no doubt be successfully studied on the scientific level. As Guts has pointed out, there can be little doubt that people’s brains can behave very differently where addiction is concerned - in terms of their sensitivity at least. That said, it seems fairly logical to me that the age at which one begins using porn must surely play a role - as sites such as ‘Your Brain on Porn’ detail, our brains are far more receptive to sexual conditioning as adolescents.

    I think another key factor may likely be the presence or absence of early sexual experiences with real females; as, surely if such experiences can help to ‘rewire’ the brain and cure PIED in adults, then it seems perfectly reasonable to suppose that if experienced earlier on - when our brains are that much more receptive - they ought to just as effectively ‘wire’ the brain prophylactically.

    As we already know that the brain is far more malleable during the years of adolescence, it seems reasonable to suppose that ‘natural’ conditioning in the form of real romantic/sexual experiences, if experienced early on during these years, ought to be that much more effective; and that perhaps therefore, only a few such experiences may be necessary in order to form some fairly substantial protective ‘wiring’.

    In my own case, I began using porn so early that it acted as a disincentive to me in seeking romantic/sexual experiences in the real world. Consequently, it was only after ten years of fairly heavy porn use spanning my brain’s most impressionable years, that I first had a romantic/sexual experience with a real woman - when I discovered to my horror, that I was suffering from PIED.
     
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  7. Bilbo Baggins

    Bilbo Baggins Active Member

    Man, that sounded like some pure Edgar Allan Poe.

    Great post, by the way.
     
  8. Deleted User

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    Wow Bilbo, that may be the first story I've heard of non-high-speed induced PIED! Very interesting.

    Hah. I managed to hit the jackpot of PIED + PE. I wouldn't recommend it.


    @Dr. Freud
    It's really impossible to say how long, do you have / when did you develop PIED? Just expect that it will take awhile and this process will go much deeper than merely 'not looking at P'. It requires a total shift in many behaviors. The more you've had your life together the past 10 years, the easier it will likely be. I would advise looking to the 'deep recovery' success stories of guys who go 6+ months hardmode, forget about the '30 days PIED healed' stories.
     
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  9. Pete McVries

    Pete McVries Well-Known Member

    @Universal : I also had PIED before the arrival of tubes sites (or before I would use them). Back in the day, I would download full length movies, burn them on CD-R and watch them on my dvd player. That was enough for me to acquire PIED.

    @Dr. Freud People have different recovery timespans. I would recommend to implement a mindset where you do not expect anything at a given day. Instead, focus on holistic healing or recovery that ideally lasts for the rest of your life. If you are in for a quick fix, you will probably dissappointed really quickly. Personally, I was able to have successful sex after about 100 days of hardmode (after having PIED for 15 years). But the next 200 days or so were also part of the recovery process both in regards to my PIED but also from a mental standpoint. The first few times I had sex during that time were nerve-wrecking but the sex became better and better until I was able to fully enjoy it without having to worry about my erections all the time.

    If you are able to develop a healthy mindset when it comes to your recovery, little setbacks won't be that drastic for you. Trust the process whether or not you get quick results.
     
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  10. Bilbo Baggins

    Bilbo Baggins Active Member

    This is an old thread, but I thought about it recently because another similar question came to my mind: why do some rebooters heal faster then others? Apart from the usual reasons like relapses, medication that causes ED, health issues, the age one started to watch porn, things like that. Some guys heal after going hard mode for 3-4 months, while others have gone 6 months hard mode (some guys even more) and are still not healed. Of course, no matter how long it takes, that’s what we have to do. But it’s still a fascinating issue.
     
  11. Doper

    Doper Well-Known Member

    I had ED before I even watched DVD's, magazines were enough to give it to me., and I only had a few. So anecdotally, I've more than blown out the premise that this all started with Tube sites. I'm pretty sure I could get it from wackin it to grimy fantasies. It sure sticks around if you do that, so why not give it to you in the first place. I heal reasonably quick, but I'm back in the shitter from cured in a few months as well if I start watching it regularly. I bet if some of us were having sex every day and nutting a lot, we'd probably get it from too much sex. Just the way it is, I guess.
    Nutrition, sleep, other dopaminergic drug use (including alcohol and internet), stress etc...all gonna probably make a difference in healing time.
    When you look at reviews of products, it's going to mostly be the unhappy buyers that actually make a review. Most of the people that heal quick are gonna be gone and forget all about it, it's the ones that don't that stick around that you come into contact with and then you have an skewed view of the time frame to healed bell curve.

    Edit: What I don't understand is the idea that people are going to wack it to gonzo for 20 years and be fine and then out of nowhere be utterly stricken by the PIED. That makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever that that would happen. That's not to say I don't believe it happens, I just don't understand how ones brain would be immune for a long time and then not. It would make sense that you are going to get it months or a year after you start using the drug, or it's not going to happen at all. I think us PIED people make up 0.1% of the porn watching public. Think about it, if even 10% of men got PIED, there would be 10's of millions of people flooding message boards like this. Look at this site, it's a backwater. We are in a tiny minority, I believe.
     
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  12. Bilbo Baggins

    Bilbo Baggins Active Member

    Interesting way to put it. I am also surprised each time I read about a guy who had no problems when he was younger and started having ED in his twenties or thirties. Must be quite dramatic.

    I also have the feeling that we are a minority, but that’s not what the statistics seem to show. According to Gary Wilson and some articles you can find on YBOP, the rates of ED in men under 40 is close to 30%. We don’t talk a lot about about these kinds of issues with our friends and acquaintances, obviously. But I have heard of four cases of PIED and one case of severe DE in young guys around me. So I would not be surprised if there were much more guys with those problems in the people I know. It sure is a complicated issue, and it seems that all brains are different. There might be psychological components in that as well, even though we have been taught that this is mainly a brain problem.
     
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  13. Pete McVries

    Pete McVries Well-Known Member

    I also think that the dark figure of PIED cases is much higher than we might think. If I'm not mistaken, the majority of people who are being prescibed ED drugs are under 35 nowadays. Moreover, for young guys ED drugs "from the street" like kamagra seem to be very popular. Why would any young guy in their right mind take a drug in order to have sex if it's not necessary?

    You also mustn't forget that the hurdle of noticing your ED, to finding out about the problem via googling, to finding a forum, to registering to it, and to finally start writing is a big one. Don't forget that albeit English is the lingua franca, not everyone speaks it and it's much harder to find out about it in other languages. Moreover, we've become accustomed to writing about our sex problems but for many, despite being anonymous it's very shameful. Then you have guys from the "I love steak, put me back inside the matrix, please!"-faction who will lie to themselves about the problem in order to keep watching porn.

    On top of that, what about guys who grew up watching porn and thus never made any attempts to have sex or never had the chance to have sex. They probably won't try to find out about PIED because they are not even aware that they have an ED problem (if that is the case).

    But I might be totally wrong, though. Maybe, we are in fact a tiny unlucky minority. Perhaps the truth is somewhere in the middle?
     
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  14. Doper

    Doper Well-Known Member

    This is the most believable large cohort. But what about all these people that either took years to acquire it, or just didn't start watching it early. There would have to be at least a hundreds of millions of them going about their day, having sex regularly, and then UH-OH WEINER DON'T WORK.......I find it hard to believe that people are so pathetic that they just wouldn't even try to find out about or fix the problem. I get the Matrix steak people, and the language barrier issue. But you'd think there would be a lot more at least, views, of this forum. Maybe people don't take part, but the VIEW COUNTS should be 1000's of times higher if there are tons of limp dicks out there. I don't know how many forums there are on this issue, this is the only place I come to. But the issue is pretty well advertised, I've come across so many "not fapping" (don't wanna upset the copyright issue) video's on the Utubes, but I will admit they were mostly get your shit together type video's. A lot of people aren't into that. All I'm saying is that if this information was around and even a fraction as prevalent as it is now, You, Mr. Baggins and myself would have found it at age 14, and none of this shit would have happened. Who wouldn't want to make sure their life isn't ruined?.....I know lots of people don't give a fuck but I don't think it's that many people....But you both make good points.
    On another note, Could you imagine knowingly taking some street version of viagra, or one made in China or some shit? How mental are these people?.....I was watching a bit out of date (2008) but still really good documentary the other day, and it was all about counterfeit medicine, and how much of the supply is fake. Like 40% of medicine in Nigeria, at the time, was counterfeit. Packaging so perfect no one could tell. And people are just dying from taking fake insulin and other extremely important drugs. Not just in Africa, but the west too. If there is a group of people that should be rounded up and shot, it's the individuals involved in that racket.
     
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