When you watch porn you are seeing the woman you're sexually attracted to get f%% by another man

Discussion in 'Pornography Addiction' started by ultrafabber, May 8, 2019.

  1. ultrafabber

    ultrafabber New Member

    Perspective wise you're literally sitting in a room next to the woman you want to have sex with, masturbating to her getting f%# by someone else.

    That is extremely disturbing. You are aroused not by f##ing a woman but by seeing a woman get f##ed by another man.

    When you choose a porn to watch you're literally choosing which woman you want to see get f##ed, then you "send" her to get f##ed so that you can watch her and masturbate next to her. Sometimes, you're even as close as 20 inches from the guy's junk.
     
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  2. jack91

    jack91 Find your way throuh Staff Member

    And puff your brain change and wolaa you are beta male. Which of you is stronger? Guy fucking the girl or guy watching alphadude fucking her and masturbating
     
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  3. Pete McVries

    Pete McVries Active Member

    I think 'Cuck' and 'Bull' are the terms you are looking for. Cuckolding has become one of the most popular 'genres' of porn in the past few years. The trend is only coherent albeit very sad.

    The one million dollar question is, what does all this to you mentally? Could this have a negative impact on your day to day life? Could this even rub off on to your confidence and character? And, if you have followed me so far, I challenge you to the question that there might be the possibility of an agenda at work? :)
     
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  4. spoofy

    spoofy Active Member

    Nothing to do with cuckolding, humans biologically enjoy seeing a woman getting drilled by other men, this is because we evolved out of gangbangs and the sperm competition occurs in the womb unlike most mammals.
    This is also one of the reasons humans got to the top of the food chain, because we cooperate instead of competing, something which is constantly being perversed by modern society and government.

    No matter what stories you try tell yourself, humans don't enjoy this by choice, it's biological.
    But jerking off to a computer screen, that's a poor way to spend such a short life .. much more fun banging chicks.
     
  5. ultrafabber

    ultrafabber New Member

    This is incorrect. Humans are not a promiscuous species, it's the same with monkeys. Some monkey species are monogamous, others are not. Humans are monogamous or polygamous at best. Sperm competition (promiscuity) is multiple males with multiple females.

    We enjoy seeing a woman feel good during sex because it's naturally something WE should see because we're making her feel good. Seeing her feel good with others is just an unhealthy overlap of two stimuli, one we are wired to like (a woman enjoying herself), one we're wired to dislike (another man doing her).

    Only cucks enjoy seeing women get drilled by other men, seeing it is making you feel inferior.
     
  6. Perigee

    Perigee Member

    I agree. When you watch porn what you're really doing is projecting yourself as the dude fucking the girl, which is pretty normal. And lets be honest, to get laid you actually have to objectify women (thats just what men do, we objectify everything, our hunter gatherer ancestors had to objectify women or else their genes would not get spread). When you watch porn, you objectify women just as you would normally.

    I think people often misunderstand why porn is actually harmful. Vanilla porn that depicts sex between a man and a women is perfectly natural (and has been around forever). It's high speed internet porn on streaming tube sites that's harmful. This is because these sites provide ENDLESS novelty, which is a nuanced point that many people fail to understand. It's the constant clicking between 50 tabs, seeking, escalating genres, etc that does the harm and promotes the addictive neural pathways.
     
  7. spoofy

    spoofy Active Member

    Humans are socially engineered to be monogamous, But there's strong anthropological evidence that suggests humans are biologically promiscuous.
    It is ignored by government and mainstream media because it threatens are society which is built on nuclear families, mortgages, realestate and debt.

    - The penis mushroom tip shape is specifically making it act like a pump to pull other men sperm out of it.
    - Women moan during sex, this is dangerous from survival aspect, yet they do it as a calling to other men which shows the significance of promiscuity.
    - 99% men enjoy porn which is watching girls getting banged by other dudes, this makes no sense for a monogamous species, but it serves to turn the man on when they have their turn.
    - Men become tired and less interested in sex after they finish, to give a turn to the next guy in the train. women are the complete opposite they want more.
    - Women are multi-orgasmic, men are not.

    You can go ahead, try to convince yourself but bro it's out of your control.
    It's like gay men that go to those special church sessions to become straight, it's so futile because you can't undo physically attraction to something.
    If you see a girl sucking dick, it will always turn you on, that's normal, but jerking off on it on a computer screen is psychologically very cuckoldy and pathetic ya.
     
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  8. ultrafabber

    ultrafabber New Member

    bs mate, there is no proof of "social engineering" and there are so many other species, both in primates and non-primates that are monogamous. It's literally just evolution at work, and monogamy/polygamy is the best adaptation for humans.

    Again, bs, that's the typical "woke" argument you see whenever you superficially look into it. You can see the penis shape of monkey from both promiscuous and monogamous/polygamous systems here https://theconversation.com/why-did-humans-evolve-big-penises-but-small-testicles-71652

    Literally just science-fiction.

    PORN DIDN"T EVEN EXIST UNTIL A COUPLE DECADES AGO. Sex was a very private thing and nobody watched others fuck, let alone masturbate to them. You don't get turned on by watching others fuck, you get turned on by a female and it overrides the stuff that should turn you off.

    lol, i'm not going to even bother with these ones.

    Gay men have been converted (see patient B-19) and sexual orientation has been manipulated by controlling serotonin in rats. It's just about dominance/hierarchy.

    It literally won't i'd be disgusted. I was disgusted by porn initially as well. If seeing a woman sucking a dick turns you on, you have a problem (like I did)
     
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  9. ultrafabber

    ultrafabber New Member

    You're not. You're literally watching another man fck the woman you want while you masturbate next to them. wtf
     
  10. Pete McVries

    Pete McVries Active Member

    I really appreciate you, spoofy, but I think that statement is wrong. I read studies that women moan because it is helpful from a survival aspect. A woman who moans makes a man come faster, hence the chance that they are eaten becomes smaller.

    Keep it polite guys, and respect the other's ideas!
     
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  11. spoofy

    spoofy Active Member

    @ultrafabber: you're arguing the point too hard instead of having a conversation, clearly you're interested in validation rather than figuring why something works a certain way.
    It's cool man, if this helps you kick off PMO habit, i wish you all the best.

    @Pete McVries: that's fascinating, but don't you think the man would just come faster regardless? why do men get turned on when they hear a woman moaning (from another guy) ? it doesn't add up ...
    If anything it might further support sperm competition in the womb, if a woman has sex with 3 men, and moans with certain one it will boost his performance.

    For the record I don't think humans were overly promiscuous like some claim, but i don't think they were monogamous/polygamous either like we're told in media.
    Human males are opportunists and seeing someone else having sex they get turned on and wanna join in on the fun (not compete), hence why we have the porn epidemic in the first place, this is instinct.
    This is also why we seek novelty, if men were hypergamous, they would watch porn of the same actress, whereas you find men looking for novelty instead, because biologically it's good for diversifying offsprings.
    Expecting humans to be monogamous when they're biologically not, is setting us up for failure. This has worked great for religion in history and divorce lawyers in modern times ;)
     
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  12. doneatlast

    doneatlast Active Member

    Wow, some really... ummm... strange ideas on here. As a circumcised male, I can't really say much about how the "reverse sperm pump" evolution aspect of the penis really would work for an uncircumcised penis (which is how they evolve by the way, if you want to talk social constructs of sexuality, circumcision is a big one), but the sheer physics regardless are dubious at best. Insemination happens too far up the alley for anything that is inserted vaginally to prevent it. It reminds me of the myth I heard about in high school that using a douche after sex would prevent pregnancy. This theory seems so ridiculously easy to disprove that it wouldn't even be worth considering.

    Honestly, to create the answer that women want multiple partners in one night and guys want to stand in line for the same hot girl is a perfect example of not rebooting, of letting porn define how we think of sex. It plays into the myth that porn lets us explore our sexual psyches and we'll find deep truths about ourselves within. The real truth is that for the most part we only find lies. Any truths we find are on the way out of porn as we reboot and figure out why we did and watched such stupid stuff.

    The psychological reasons for someone wanting to see another guy have sex with a woman they are attracted to would be too many to list. A big one is projection - the guy is the "hero" of the story, and you're inserting yourself into his place, kinda like in a video game.

    Others include:

    Slut shaming/slut imagination. Some guys, through a mix of want of promiscuity and misogyny like to imagine all women as far more dirty and nasty than they really are. If you've ever read Lolita, Humbert is always imagining Dolly as being far more experienced and in command of her sexuality than she realistically would have been (unreliable narrator), and it plays into his own fantasies and justifications thereof. I hear this often with so-called "locker room talk". Some (most?) porn genres are all about making the girls look as loose and slutty as possible, while others go for the sweet untouched flower or girl next door.

    Anxieties/suspicions of other men with the women he's attracted to. A guy is attracted to a girl, girl dates other guys, guy sits at home ruminating about the things girl he likes and guy he hates are doing. Watching this play out in porn and masturbating to it gives a really strange sort of expression of those anxieties and sense of control, albeit unhealthy. Sounds strange, but I bet it plays out this way far more often than we'd think. Broken hearts and memories of exes are very, very frequent triggers for porn consumption.

    Seeing a guy considered sexually attractive is a novelty for men. Women have an easier time understanding how women can be attractive to men, but it is more of a puzzle to men. Men who want to know what makes a guy attractive might stop and stare when they see a woman pretend to be super stimulated. It helps them (so they think) make sense of what they see in the mirror every morning. I get women flirting with me from time to time or showing signs of attraction, but really I have absolutely no idea what it is those women see and other women don't. Some guys stress over this but would never admit it, seeing it as a weird sort of insecurity they associate only with women asking "am I pretty?".

    Inferiority complex, what others are calling "beta male". I can't do this well (or so I think I can't) so I'll watch a guy who can. What is he doing? Does it work? Is that how I'd do it? What could I do better?

    Sheer misogyny. If we see women as just evolutionary clumps of cells that just want to moan and take in as much sperm as possible, somehow we release ourselves from the burden of having to develop real relationships or really understand them as human beings with complicated minds, and dare I say, souls. Some guys carry with them a deep hatred of women. You get them alone with other guys, and all they do is complain about women. These guys are the ones who most often end up divorced, because they can't find anything redeeming beyond sex, and the idea of self-sacrifice is ridiculous, if not completely foreign, to them. Guys who actually LIKE women for more than a mutual masturbation are considered sissies or wimps to them. They see an elderly couple together that has done everything together their whole lives, and all they can think is "social construct" or "religion makes them do it", but their blindness to this couple's happiness is their own loss. What causes this, I am not sure, but porn seems to amplify it quite a bit by entertaining and reaffirming those thoughts.
     
  13. spoofy

    spoofy Active Member

    @doneatlast: Great points, discussion is good!

    The foreskin mostly retracts when the penis enters the vagina (at least when it goes all the way), so the theory still stands.
    Also insemination takes time, yes a penis pump won't cause a girl not to get impregenated, but it's more of a reduced chance than anything.
    There was also a study how a woman is more likely to conceive from the man she orgasms with, which further supports the sperm competition.

    The porn being a "hero" thing is a good argument, however I want to emphasise we're not talking about psychologically enjoying porn, we're talking about physically enjoying it for men.
    For example take women, they don't get the same physical arousal from porn or hearing other moan, they do the "hero" projection, and you can find most women are more emotional regarding sex and read literature than the visual harddcore porn.

    Slut shaming/slut imagination - this is incredibly strong argument I gotta tip my hat to you my friend, porn is a fantasy of how we'd like the world to be, and people feed on fantasies like candy.
    Same thing with romantic comedies for women where the guy is a billionaire but jumps through hoops for a certain 5/10 girl with a big chin :p
    Guess this isn't black/white, and there are many reasons we watch porn, please note it was never my intention to put why we watch porn under one umbrella.

    About the ex's and depression, that's tricky because we all started watching porn in our early teens without any sexual experience, we watched it because it was enjoyable, and hardcore porn is more enjoyable than just watching a woman strip.
    That is very critical here, and it happens for all men without prior learning. If we were competitive/monogamous species there's no benefit to this whatsoever and lines us closer to promiscuous special.
    Also it might just be me, but POV porn never did anything for me, at least very little compared to watching vanilla porn angles of others having sex, most of the guys I talked to were the same.

    Guys are more interested in big penises than women (various studies showed search engine penis queries were vast majority by men), this is also essentially why the transexual epidemic is happening.
    There was a great ted talk about it, but what really happens is men like to watch a penis with a woman in the same area (sort of an optical illusion), men aren't gay or really interested in the actual penis but rather they get turned on when they see 2 people having sex in front of them.

    I love the point about seeing a woman attracted to a guy is novelty and a guy wants to learn from it, it's a real pleasure to read your posts kind sir :)

    But again I never meant to say "we watch porn because we're promiscuous", or give excuse why we watch porn.
    My point, and still is, there's a physical instinctive arousal of seeing another man f#$% another woman, it has nothing to do with being gay.
    The whole relapse cycle of "why do I keep doing it" went nowhere until i started acknowledging the little facents to why we do things.
     
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  14. ultrafabber

    ultrafabber New Member

    I dismantled your beliefs and you tell me "i'm arguing on point" lol. So now arguing on point is bad.
     

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