Trolls on the forum?

Discussion in 'Pornography Addiction' started by TheUnderdog, Jan 5, 2017.

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Trolls?

  1. Do nothing, freedom of speech for the win

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  2. Ban them temporary

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  3. Ban them forever

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  1. Deleted User

    Deleted User Guest

    One account for several people...
    Posts you said you had written, and now you say you actually didn't write it...

    I don't have all the information (which you'll obviously keep for yourself - perhaps secret is your only argument here) so I can't judge. But I don't need all the information, because the two things I just stated are true no matter what, and they're enough to see some self-contradiction. That's a very muddy situation. And you can't assume I'll trust what you say when it goes against the little I know - especially since you don't disclose any information.

    Next time you wish me peace, have it in a post that shows honesty/goodness, not secret, contradictions, sarcasm and whatnot. Then I'll be happy to accept that wish and respond accordingly.
     
  2. Bucketter

    Bucketter Guest

    Ahh Newnes, still the lost person I remember. Don't ever change bro. "The things I stated are true no matter what" but you have no idea of what your statements really are or even what they really mean.
    And you had no idea what we were going to use that account for.

    Lastly peace doesn't need to be brought. Peace isn't something that you wish on the people you like ONLY, peace is something you wish on everyone regardless of differences. Maybe you should take a break from PMO studies and start looking into human studies instead
     
  3. goingforward

    goingforward Keep calm and carry on!

    Make a separate topic about a point of nofap, and forbid such discussions anywhere else
     
  4. spoofy

    spoofy Active Member

    @NewGuy let me start by saying I agree with a lot of your views about nofap, and have success with porn moderation.
    But doing it again and again, trying to convince other people to your point of view, ultimately is pointless.
    So the only reason to constantly try to "convert" other people to one's belief, is to gain validation to feel better about their own choices.
    But truth is nobody likes it, and to most people here you're that jehova witness guy who keeps knocking on their door, not a revolutionist, don't be that guy bro.

    At the end of the day YBOP & YBR is about porn addiction, notably when it takes control over you and disrupts your life, if you haven't experienced it all the power to you.
    Porn addiction is a new monster due to availability. I.e. once food teleports to your home, the whole world will need to battle yet another addiction epidemic.

    That's the common goal, and people with different points of view (read nofap) come together here to discuss how to fight it, I don't agree with them either but that's what we got, all the best mate.
     
  5. newguy1

    newguy1 Member

    So how is being attracted to shemales or having sex with a TS GF 'unhealthy'? How exactly are 'morphing sexual tastes' unhealthy? If you have sex you will also quickly get tired from same old sex, and 'fetishes' such as wanting to try anal or role play or another position will also form. How is this different from porn? Is getting tired from having sex in same way also 'unhealthy'?
     
    Last edited: Jan 7, 2017
  6. Mendoza

    Mendoza Well-Known Member

    This post sums it up beautifully. Trolls exude a troll-like quality, perceptible through all 5 senses. You know when you're dealing with one.

    Note though, how a simple question and poll degenerated into a war of slurs that steal the spotlight away from the actual question. That's what frustrates me. Rather than move the discussion forwards, we have to listen through some dude wailing about being misunderstood for his fetishes. Off topic - start a new thread if you must.

    For the record, I am pro freedom of speech. HOWEVER, a tiresome individual who keeps flinging his drivel repeatedly as though he were playing like a broken record... should be given a warning. Because that's plain disrespectful and goes against the code of conduct of the forum. So I say let the moderators make that call.
     
  7. hope2overcome

    hope2overcome No Love, No Sex

    What you describe aren't trolls, they are just people who subscribe to the pro-porn school of thought. Banning them would be disgraceful. But, to actual trolls people who, for example, spam or post porn links etc, they deserve a temporary ban.
     
  8. Mik2

    Mik2 Aka NwaltRed

    I agree with you, and I share the belief that porn can be enjoyed responsibly, as does Spoofy. When you say there is no such thing as porn addiction, that is crossing the fucking line dude, that's all we've been trying to get through to you here. Sex addiction is a real thing as well, but that doesn't mean that everyone who has sex is addicted. It's when you feel like you can't stop even when your life is hurtling downward, even when you are stepping across moral and other serious boundaries, when the addiction brings far more negativity into your life than positivity. I firmly believe that people can gain control of addiction without swearing off the substance completely, there are recovered alcoholics who still have a drink with friends occasionally, I'm one of them, but it isn't the solution for everyone.

    If you are angry at ybop/nofap for jumping to some conclusions without enough conclusive evidence, that doesn't give you the right to do the same damn thing.
    I think Spoofy is on to something, you just can't make decisions for yourself so you want to get everyone else on board to feed your ocd reassurance, well it's not going to happen. I'm not even 100% sure that I made the right choice in choosing moderation but I'm sticking with it anyways, deal with your doubts, no one else will.
     
  9. newguy1

    newguy1 Member

    I'm just stating the fact that the research into porn addiction is in its infancy and that the studies out so far are conflicting. Some say addiction to porn exist, others say it's nonsense. So we just can't be sure (yet), but I personally believe it doesn't really exist. Many ppl who claim to be addicted to porn just have other issues that are not being addressed
     
  10. Mik2

    Mik2 Aka NwaltRed

    No, you weren't just stating that opinions were divided regarding porn addiction, you very clearly stated that porn addiction doesn't exist as though it is proven fact. You are just backtracking now because you know you were full of crap.

    Yes, other issues that lead into porn addiction, or alcohol addiction, or binge eating, or drug addiction, or sex addiction, or really any escape from reality/numbing activity. Since the solution to any of them is the same (abstinence/cutting down as much as possible, diverting to other healthier activities, addressing the root of the problem), it doesn't really matter if porn is the root of the problem, that doesn't mean addiction doesn't exist.

    How the hell is it helpful to tell people that porn addiction doesn't exist? Do you think they will all just magically stop binging on porn because you say so? Everyone here already knows that porn addiction is caused by other root issues, that doesn't mean solving the root problem magically solves the porn addiction, not when we learn to use porn as a cure all stress reliever/numbing agent.
    Porn addiction is the inability to stop watching porn, even when significant damages are occurring in your life, it's a real thing, even though the root causes may vary.
    If you haven't figured this out by now I won't be convincing you any further, /end discussion.
     
    Last edited: Jan 8, 2017
  11. newguy1

    newguy1 Member

    I've just read too many accounts from people claiming their belief in porn addiction made things worse, not better. David Ley also often tweets about this. Believing in porn addiction is harmful for some people (not all, some benefiti from believing in P addiction, depends on your personality). You can have another opinion, sure, but the doesn't mean my beliefs are necessarily wrong.

    I just don't believe you can be sex-positive but anti-porn (same applies to masturbation). It is normal to want diversity.

    have a look at this very recent article:
    http://www.alternet.org/sex-amp-relationships/no-sex-addiction-doesnt-exist-heres-what-it-really

    'Others argue that sex addiction (also known as hypersexuality) is a myth that is indiscriminately applied to people society wishes to shame for enjoying sex too much. Most recently, the American Association of Sexuality Educators, Counselors and Therapists took a stand on the issue, saying that while "problematic sexual behavior" does exist, and needs to be addressed, there isn't "sufficient empirical evidence to support the classification of sex addiction or porn addiction as a mental health disorder." (Read AASECT's press release.)'

    Basically what I believe. Problematic behaviours exist (for example reckless, risky sex), but that doesn't mean there is such a thing as sex or porn addiction.

    AASECT is a professional institution consisted of sexuologist. I guess they know their stuff. They also recently claimed there is not enough evidence for porn addiction.

    'applied to people society wishes to shame'; sounds familiar. So called 'porn addicts' are just people with a high libido.
     
  12. spoofy

    spoofy Active Member

    @newguy1 the above is as good explanation of addiction as it gets, with zero BS.
    If you can't relate to that, and never experienced daily 1h+ binges were you're tunnel visioned with zero control, then ya you'll start talking about random "studies" and this forum will make zero sense to you.
     
  13. UpendiT

    UpendiT Member

    If anything, P and sex addicts enjoy it less than "normal" people. Your argument makes no sense.

    Perhaps you should stop listening to the ministry of truth.
     
  14. UpendiT

    UpendiT Member

    Honestly, the doctors being trained today remind me of Idiocracy. They get through med school by having good memories. That's it... memorize and push pills/surgery.
     
  15. Deleted User

    Deleted User Guest

    Sorry for now knowing your grand scheme, I'm sure what you planned would have been amazing for this community. Although at the time you also said you didn't have time to come on the forum (despite posting walls of texts), so here again, there seems to be some contradiction: you didn't have time to post, yet you did, and at the same time you were making plans for the forum? The situation gets muddier by the second.

    The things I stated in the posts above are just facts. I don't need to know the details to have some certainties. For instance I know you have access to internet. Unless not knowing on what device or where exactly means that I can't be sure that you have access to the internet? Similarly it's clear that you shared an account (which you just confirmed here btw: "what we were going to use that account for"), and that you gave contradictory answers. No matter what the ultimate truth is (which indeed I don't know, and don't really care), you lied at some point, and I don't care enough to want to dig deeper. I'll get back to my former decision of not interacting with you from now on, it's just a waste of time and energy (feel free to answer if you want to have the last word).

    Being attracted to shemales isn't unhealthy. What's unhealthy is that the sexual taste is changed due to abuse of porn - that one is only into shemales because it's a barrier to go through (doing something forbidden = dopamine) or something newer/more extreme (escalation = dopamine). If someone acts like that, eventually, he'll feel some shame about it, because he'll realize he was untrue to himself.

    Regarding the will to try new things to avoid boredom: first, porn use will make this escalation much faster and much deeper; second, many people who have regular sex don't have this issue with boredom; third, low levels of boredom are a good thing, because it spurs creativity, and can rebalance the sex from bestiality/excitement (dopamine) to intimacy (oxytocin). So the possible escalation from regular sex is very different from that coming from porn (unless in case of sex addiction, but that's not the culprit for most people here).

    But if someone is into shemales without it being due to porn, then I don't see why that would be unhealthy. Sex is a continuum with people having different tastes, that's just how it is, neither good nor bad. Vegvisir explained it with much detail and clarity for that matter.

    I completely agree with you.

    I believe porn pulls us away from real sex and turns real sex into a performance and sometimes a need (as in, we don't do it because you feel like it will be good, but for some validation for instance). Plus, it drives PIED up. It's as sex-negative as it gets.
     
  16. Bucketter

    Bucketter Guest

    thank god or allah for phone notifications because they just provided me with the dumbest text I've ever seen. you have absolutely zero ability to connect dots. let me spell it out for you. I had a plan with what to do with that joint account however because I was becoming more and more busy( on that day I was preparing to leave the country for some work) I let the person who really controls the account shut it down. what part of that is a contradiction? it is only a contradiction if you flip the two talking points around which is what you just did A.K.A twisting the words. but it was so dumb because it was so blatant in what you just tried to do.

    how can you possibly come to a factual conclusion on something you don't know the facts of? you don't state any type of facts at all Newnes, you admit you don't understand but still continue to try and lean on your own misunderstanding to find an "ultimate truth"
    if you really didn't care then you wouldn't have spent all this time trying so hard to come to a conclusion based on limited evidence.
    jesus man, you are hard headed. my 5 year old nephew has learnt not to jump to conclusions without evidence already but here you are, a grown man probably in his 20's or 30's doing just that.

    and lastly because I don't understand how many times I have to say it before it sinks in to peoples heads.
    1.if I have to write walls of text as a reply to you, maybe it's because you're post was filled with so much misinformation that it took lots of text to correct everything.
    2. this isn't walls of text. if you want walls of text then look at my current college work (10k words in a single piece of work) I can type pretty fast, last time I checked around 75 keys per minute on keyboard and around 55 on phones, writing this much isn't long for me. it takes me 2 and a half minutes at the most.
     
  17. DemBrainsTho

    DemBrainsTho Member

    I am ALL FOR FREE SPEECH..

    However.. this is an online community that we use to better ourselves. Many of us struggle making it just a few days without P or M. This place needs to be somewhat strict, simply because of the fact that so many of us have trouble. Any trolling or people posting about positive effects of PMO and links to bullshit articles from fake scientists.. only serves to undermine the main purpose of this community.

    Some may call NoFap an extreme way of going about things.. and I think to a certain extent it may be.. but for many it's a lifestyle that produces nothing but positive change.
     
  18. newguy1

    newguy1 Member

    Bullshit articles from fake scientists? Are you fucking serious? Those people actually have PHDs, unlike certain people who claim porn is addictive... ;)
     
  19. newguy1

    newguy1 Member

    Donald Hilton is a mormon, which I consider to be an extreme ideology/religion. The other two are also religous men, could it be that they are biased?

    BTW I'm not saying porn can never be a problem. There can be problematic behavours when watching porn, but that still doesn't make it a real addiction.

    Billions of men are watching porn regularly, but PIED forums are very small. A few Thousand members on here. If it were such a problem, why aren't we seeing way more members?

    PIED= a mixture of sexual exhaustion and performance anxiety/depression/result of use of drugs/alcohol/meds
     
  20. Mik2

    Mik2 Aka NwaltRed

    What a horribly wasted movie reference opportunity...
     
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