The generation of guys who rebooted before us, back in 2012-2014, thought that rewiring was necessary in order to heal from PIED. They thought you had to go through a certain period of time of abstinence (often it was 90 days), and then you had to start rewiring. At first, you would just kiss and cuddle. Then you would go for gentle sex. When you had sex, you had to avoid orgasming. Many of them only experienced a return of libido after doing this. You can check EFDE’s posts, he was active a few years ago. He got back his morning wood after starting having sex again. In our generation, guys generally seem to think that rewiring is not necessary. We created a new way to reboot: the no arousal approach. If you go a long period of time without anything sexual, you will ultimately recover. What is true, here? I don’t know. So I try to analyze this as best as I can, and I get to this: you do total abstinence for at least 3 months, to allow your brain to reboot, then you gradually go back to sex to rewire to real women. I can’t think of anything better right now. I have read many accounts from 2012-2015, and those guys were aware that orgasms slowed down the process and brought them back into flatline. That’s why with time, the no arousal approach was created. That’s what I believe, anyway. Another point: on this forum, when a guy has been through a 6 0r 12-month hard mode reboot, people tell them they no longer have PIED and that they have ‘underlying conditions’. Wtf? Rates of ED were below 1% with guys our age before internet porn. Performance anxiety is probably a real issue, but how many times have you read a story from a guy who went back to sex after a period of abstinence and who was nervous as fuck to not be able to be hard enough for sex, but who actually was hard enough, despite performance anxiety. They were writing in their posts that when going to bed with a woman they were thinking ‘My dick is not gonna be hard, I will fail’ but they did not fail, and they eventually got used to having an erection when required. The theory about recovering from PIED is still a mess. It’s a good basis, though, but it’s up to us to figure out how we are gonna do this. But the thing is, when you asked your girlfriend to stop having sex for three months without seeing any major improvements during these three months, it’s unclear what you have to do at this point. Remaining abstinent for a longer period? Or go back gradually to sex, knowing that rewiring can also take a lot time and that your fist attempts might not be too successful? Those are the best thoughts I can deliver after 8 months of rebooting and searching on this forum to read about other guys experiences. I am starting this thread firstly for me, because my 3 months are almost over. I have had a few wet dreams, and isolated moments of feeling great (but I am the kinda guy who can easily imagine things that are not real), but apart from that, I am the proud owner of a dead dick. But I am also writing this to hear other guys opinions on the subject, in order to actualize the data we have in this. Damn, if I was single, I would do a whole year of no arousal before trying anything. I have been here for 8 months, and I have seen newcomers getting their dicks back and leaving the forum because PIED was a thing of the past. I know I shouldn’t see it like this, but I am starting to feel embarrassed about my reboot and the absence of results so far. To conclude, my opinion on this is that no arousal must be real and is probably the way to go. But for guys in a relationship, you can’t start doing this for an indefinite period of time. Your girlfriend will accept 3 months, maybe 6. You can’t blame her for that, she’s already giving you a lot of time here. After three months of abstinence, I still have no libido, no morning wood and only occasional wet dreams. Delicate situations. I can ask for a month or two more, but that’s about as much as she’s ready to give. Anyway, I went all over the place with my post. But it could be interesting to hear other guys opinions on this. Advice for my situation could be great, too. I am lucky, because the guys who participate in my journal are really cool and generous, guys whom I respect a lot, but other guys could share their thoughts on this subject. After all, this thread is about ways to recovery, therefore it could be of interest to many guys here.