The Science Behind Porn Induced E.D.

Discussion in 'Erectile Dysfunction / Delayed Ejaculation' started by TheUnderdog, Feb 20, 2012.

  1. friction

    friction New Member

    i was thinking, common sense as in, when you can't get hard with regular women, and your only turned on by dick related things, you probably like the dick, and we all know what that means, well that means your gay!
     
  2. jjveetec

    jjveetec Well-Known Member

    You are right. I think in most cases their "blindness" is not conscious. It's whole culture with its educational system, governments etc. Whichever part of it you take you find the same phenomenon: misinformation and lies. Destruction of free thought and innovation. It doesn't require "conspiracy theory" (whatever the fuck that is) - just comparing facts with what we are being fed.
    I think causes are very deeply rooted in the western contemporary culture, which is based entirely on the commercial law/commercial code and nothing else. In commercial reality it doesn't matter what is good for a patient, but what is good for shareholders of pharmaceutical concerns. Good of the patient is only taken into consideration when it can have direct, negative impact on the revenue of the pharmaceutical business. It is a very simple equation. There might be some aberrations from this rule but no more than statistical error. Accidental noise on the radar.

    It's just our "medical" (and not only) society and their approach to science. Which is very unscientific. I believe that there is a significant amount of "deliberately denying the truth" although part of it can be attributed to ignorance. I don't know what the fuck means "mis-recognition" by most doctors. If those guys can't catch up with latest information on the subject they position themselves as specialists, they have no business to be doctors.
    We live in the age of totally unscientific science - actually a death of real science. I watched some time ago a great video (TED) with Nobel Prize winner Kary Mullis called "celebration of scientific experiment". It looks like we have the same problem mr Gallileo had few ages ago
     
  3. mike r

    mike r New Member

    Hi I am 55 since I was 20 I watched porn although not ipon internet .not realy avalable then . I got married at 30. Had good sex for bout 5 years .then slowed down. Then cam internet. I watched it while married but not every day mabe three times a week. Then got devorsed had good sex with new girl but got caught up with porn while still having good sex but then I would materbate to porn and do edging then it I fount myself materbating every day
    4 hous a day . Then bout 2 yrs later I fojnd my erections geting worse but I got buy. Then my gf passed away and I still kept up with the daly pmo and edging now I meet another girl I reqly like . I get excited get a lit
    tle hard . But can't maintain it especially if I start changing pos . I have even worn a coc ring helped a little I guess I need to reboot .I have beenqll over the internet . I know to much porn was no good how long will a guy of my age 55 take to reboot . I have not wqtched porn for week now do I have porn indused ed
     
  4. Napoleon Hill

    Napoleon Hill New Member

    jjveetec: You make several great points. Related to this discussion is this article I just found. It's quite long, but I guess that makes it a good time-consuming distraction the next time any of us are tempted to PMO:

    http://www.drjudithreisman.com/archives/SIC3.pdf

    I'm a little turned off by the author's moralistic/religious tone at times, because I believe in the First Amendment and that individuals are free to participate in and watch porn as much as they want, and they can experience their own consequences. However, she makes a very strong argument that through porn and masturbation, we allow ourselves to become slaves to three big industries.

    Maybe when I used the word 'conspiracy' before, I was being a bit overdramatic, because that word implies that we are helpless victims. We are not. I have no moral objections to porn and masturbation. Censorship is never the answer. Personal responsibility is really what it comes down to. Just like 22 oz. sodas are not to blame for obesity, and guns are not to blame for people killing people, P and M are not to blame for my problems. It's up to me to understand how I've misused porn and masturbation, and to create my own positive lifestyle that excludes PMO.
     
  5. ddeb0019

    ddeb0019 New Member

    Hey everybody. I am a Juniour medical doctor with an interest in sexual medicine. I made a short information video about the causes of erectile dysfunction in young men ... I recommend you watch it. Let's spread awareness. After much research, I included Porn-Induced ED is one of the causes of erectile dysfunction in young men. Don't hesitate to leave comments. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5QSCaAi__8
     
  6. Brunevii

    Brunevii Something I try to teach all my boys..

    Very good video.
     
  7. 40New30

    40New30 Keep going

    For those seeking scientific studies...I hear ya, you want your logical questions answered, graphed out, measured and weighed, tied up into a nice sturdy theory.

    But, before you exhaustively search for such knowledge -- try no PMO for 90 days.

    After 90 days clean, I doubt you'll care about seeing scientific studies.

    You'll have true knowledge, the knowledge of subjective experience.
     
  8. Gary Wilson

    Gary Wilson Active Member

    We created this page Porn-Induced ED in the Media: Primarily Experts http://www.yourbrainonporn.com/porn-induced-ed-media

    It contains articles and videos covering porn-induced ED. It's primarily experts - urologists, medical doctors, Psychiatrists, psychologists, sexologists, though it does contain a few widely circulated articles by non-experts. It's not just YBOP or YBR anymore.

    I update it whenever something new shows up, such as this one from a few days ago - Internet Porn and Erectile Dysfunction, by Urologist James Elist, F.A.C.S., F.I.C.S. http://www.drelist.com/porn-and-erectile-dysfunction
     
  9. breath

    breath Member

    wow i ha to re-read those Italian stats to make sure I had read correctly!

    how do we interpret data (such as that) knowing also, that this is the era of computers, machines, leafblowers - that men today rarely use their bodies at work, to get to work, around their house and garden - as we know that's also bad news for good erectile function. Also it'd be good to keep in mind that a heathy body, healthy lifestyle promotes a healthy state of mind, healthy way of life etc. I'm not taking a stab at PIED theory, just asking the question : how de we weigh other factors in the puzzle?
     
  10. Forgotten

    Forgotten Member

    Unhealthy lifestyle can give ED only to people who are at least middle age. A guy in his 20's can't have ED just because he is sedentary. No way.
     
  11. breath

    breath Member

    correct but in the whole picture, both body and mind have to be used. physical and mental vitality, at any age matter, and the two can never be separated.
     
  12. soshdog

    soshdog New Member

    I remember Dr. Ruth saying decades ago that sex is 90% in the brain and only 10% in the genitals! Funny that all doctors' treatments treat the genital aspect. The older and more experienced I get, the more I don't like doctors.
     
  13. Gary Wilson

    Gary Wilson Active Member

    I just completed my new version of the PIED video. Hope it helps.

    http://youtu.be/EHHyt6z0osA
     
  14. 40New30

    40New30 Keep going

    Thanks, Gary, checking it out!
     
  15. sisyphus

    sisyphus New Member

    A couple of questions I'd like to throw out there. It's proving difficult to find any specific info on these topics.

    Is there any information available on the relationship between the onset time of "flatlining" and its duration with regard to the length of time someone is porn-addicted?

    Is there any research on the ability of supplements like 5 HTA or GABA to ameliorate withdrawal symptoms during abstinence or to accelerate recovery of normal "pre-porn" arousal and erectile performance? My gut tells me if there's post-synaptic DA receptor down-regulation as part of the whole process, then increased intake of modulators or precursors is not going to change the natural course of recovery.

    Thanks!

    S
     
  16. leannfit

    leannfit New Member

    You gotta tackle one variable at a time.
    Remove porn, look at results
    if ED still a problem, I would look at health
    recall, ED due to health issues is an indicator or impending heart health issues:
    when you go to look at your health, I'd look at
    T/E ratio
    bodyfat %
    diet composition)

    Low dietary fat(10-15% of total calories and high nitrate diet(from fruit/veggies) are good for blood flow(wood)
    high e2(above 20-30) can also be problematic, which is why you want to work on the T/E ratio(you want 30-40+) AND total T and total E
    high e2 can be caused by havig a pot bell/too high bodyfat
     
  17. Needs more detail, more holistic approach

    I think the scientific theory behind PIED is fairly correct, yet woefully incomplete. There is too much focus on evolutionarily ancient reward centers in the brain, and not enough focus on the more recent and uniquely human neocortex. This is understandable, since the chemical processes in the neocortex are far too complicated for current science to be able to accurately measure and interpret in any meaningful way. That's why it would be much more useful to take a holistic approach to PIED, and include insights from psychology and sociology as well as neuroscience. The distinction made between "physiology" and "psychology" is completely artificial and arbitrary anyway, since all "psychology" is fundamentally driven by brain chemistry too complicated for current science to understand.

    Humans are not lab rats. They have the ability to self-reflect on their own thoughts, feelings and addictive urges, let alone read and act on scientific articles about addiction. This ability alone makes rat brain studies seem almost laughably simplistic. Incredibly helpful and insightful, yes, but overly-simplistic nonetheless.

    When someone with PIED complains of still being in a flatline after 90+ days, then the reason is most probably no longer simply about porn addiction, and much more to do with cognitive dissonance, societal expectations, and other complicated HUMAN PSYCHOLOGY issues, rather than something purely to do with dopamine receptors.

    In my opinion, the main contributing problem of long-term (after 90+ days abstinence) PIED in young males is the male and female stereotypes depicted as ideal in both porn and mainstream media. High-speed broadband and DVD quality video downloads come a pretty distant second place.

    Female stereotypes of submissive bikini-models are unhelpful for obvious reasons, but not enough emphasis has been put on the male stereotype.

    Let me explain. The ideal male is unrealistically hypermasculine, which means:
    -He has very well-defined muscles and a six-pack of abs.
    -He does not give a SHIT about anything. Never feels fear or anxiety, or worries about rejection. He never gets emotional problems. Problems are for PUSSIES.
    -Rejection never happens to him anyway.
    -He always get a strong, hard erection when duty calls. Anyone whose erection is less than 100% hard is not a real man.
    -He always pounds his woman into hysterics. Anyone who cannot make his woman orgasm from penetration alone is not a real man.
    -He always ejaculates to complete the mission. Anyone who cannot ejaculate within a reasonable time-frame is not a real man.
    -He NEVER gets HOCD. Hypermasculine males are never anything but 110% straight. Anyone who feels less than 110% is not a real man.

    Now, forget high-speed internet for the moment - when a young teenage boy is raised to believe in the hypermasculine ideal and think of it as something he should always strive towards, then he is in for a world of hurt.

    When he finds himself looking at an attractive girl on the street, he would be subconsciously comparing himself to the hypermasucline ideal. The resulting cognitive dissonance would most likely be overwhelming.

    "Why are you looking at her? You don't measure up to the ideal standard yet. Don't even bother getting an erection"

    Result? "Porn Induced" Erectile Dysfunction. Or, in my opinion: "Induced by Porn, but Maintained by The Media" Erectile Dysfunction. The most effective cure for this would be to reject not just porn, but also the unhealthy hypermasculine ideal that the media glorifies every day, particularly in action movies, comic books, action movies adapted from comic books ;) and video games.

    This is also a reasonable explanation for why older males recover faster than younger ones: because the media wasn't so stupidly aggressive at pushing the hypermasculine standard back in the old days. It is not (just) the advent of High-Speed Internet - it is the advent of 300 six-packed Spartans.

    I would recommend everyone to read "The Adonis Complex" by Pope and Phillips for more insight into the media's pushing of unhealthy male stereotypes. I truly believe that PIED is the young male male equivalent of media induced anorexia in young females.
     
  18. leannfit

    leannfit New Member

    Re: Needs more detail, more holistic approach


    LOL
    nope, why not sum up what anyone would get from reading your book? people don't have time to read all these books others recommend, if that book is anything like your prolix ~700 word post, I'll pass.
     
  19. I've already summed up what the book has to say in my post. The book just goes into more detail about the effects of the media's hypermasculine ideal on young men's mental well-being.

    If my "prolix" post bothers you, then how do you manage to get through a single long article on YBOP.com?

    Ok, fine. Here's the tl;dr version:

    NoFap/NoPorn is no longer useful to young men that still haven't recovered after 90+ days of abstinence. They will progress and recover eventually with trial and error, but recovery will be slow.
    Their progress is hampered by media representations of the "ideal male", which is unrealistically hypermasculine.
    Young men who embrace the hypermasculine ideal are preventing their brains from re-wiring in a way that can speed their recovery from PIED.
    The hypermasculine ideal was not pushed so aggressively by the media until recently, which can explain why older males recover faster from PIED than younger ones.
     
  20. leannfit

    leannfit New Member

    because I know what I get out of reading it and they have science to back it up along



    yeah, ok?
    and so we are all fat because food is on every show/commericals/and used as a centerpiece of every social gathering?
    So what's the answer?
    change society and how it uses food
    or change my own behavior

    that's why this site works, it tells us how to heal ourselves
     

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