The Science Behind Porn Induced E.D.

Discussion in 'Erectile Dysfunction / Delayed Ejaculation' started by TheUnderdog, Feb 20, 2012.

  1. Gary Wilson

    Gary Wilson Active Member

    Updates: 2016
    1) Up to date list of neurological studies published on porn users (and several reviews of the literature) - http://yourbrainonporn.com/brain-scan-studies-porn-users

    2) List of studies linking porn use/porn addiction to sexual problems, desensitization to vanilla porn, and lower sexual satisfaction - http://www.yourbrainonporn.com/studies-reported-relationships-between-porn-use-or-porn-addictionsex-addiction-and-sexual

    3) Articles & vidoes by experts who recognize and treat porn-induced sexual dysfunctions - http://yourbrainonporn.com/porn-induced-ed-media

    4) Article "Research confirms sharp rise in youthful sexual dysfunctions" - http://yourbrainonporn.com/research-confirms-sharp-rise-youthful-ed

    5) Section containing relevant studies on adult porn users - http://yourbrainonporn.com/sex-addiction

    6) Section containing relevant studies on adolescent porn users - http://yourbrainonporn.com/adolescents-pornography

    7) Finally, a section that critiques several widely circulated, yet misleading studies on porn users - http://yourbrainonporn.com/questionable-studies
     
  2. empshockwave

    empshockwave 26/m/gay but call me shocky :)

    Great links there Gary. Finally a decent panel, rather than some hidden agenda sexologists. I too think that PIED is organic ED which would explain why it affects nocturnal erections/morning wood too. Physical alterations of the brain which cause ED, by definition should be classed as organic ED.
     
  3. Elodin

    Elodin New Member

    I would like to see empirical studies done on the processes of rebooting. I can understand the reluctance of the scientific establishment to accept the theory, without direct empirical evidence to support it. I also understand that this empirical evidence will be hard to attain. I think one of the main issues will be if someone presents with ED, how can you prove that the ED is caused by porn? We could rule out physical causes, but how could we rule out all of the possible psychological causes?

    Maybe I'm naive, but I think the studies should be run anyway. I think they could collect a sample of people with ED, with no physical reasons why they should have ED and who match the list of symptoms currently associated with porn induced erectile dysfunction among communities like this one.

    Even if the study produces positive results, and rebooting does significantly increase the amount of people in the sample who recovered from ED, it will still most likely attract intense criticism, due to the fact that the ED may not have been caused by porn, or that ED was was actually cured by something other than the rebooting processes. But I think despite this criticism, many people will be interested by the fact that positive results were actually attained and this could spur on more research that could potentially overcome the criticisms leveled at the initial study.
     
  4. TheUnderdog

    TheUnderdog Active Member Staff Member

    Fuck studies. Common sense please.

    When you can't get hard with regular women and you're only turned on by cumshot compilations and shemales with big cocks then I think it's pretty clear porn is fucking up your arousal circuitry.
     
  5. gameover

    gameover Age: 26

    Oh... So a guy has ED with women for 5 years and then removes porn and reboots for 3-6 months and his arousal and erections return and you would like to suggest that its "something else"? Please.

    The reboot been repeated 100's of times and the only common thing amongst all the guys is the removal of porn.
     
  6. Elodin

    Elodin New Member

    I'm trying to point out the types of criticisms I think research into this phenomenon could receive. I think it is a difficult to research phenomenon, thus the lack of empirical studies into rebooting. I would like to see these empirical studies performed, so that if it is shown to work, that it can become widely used in medical and therapeutic settings, so that the widest amount of people can benefit from it. Until this evidence is produced in controlled conditions, this is unlikely to happen.
     
  7. gameover

    gameover Age: 26

    A study is impossible. How are you going to control someone or a group for 90 to 150 days and also accurately measure this?
     
  8. newman2013

    newman2013 New Member


    One hundred percent THIS.... All the studies are great, and it was learning the brain science from YBOP that really had the biggest influence on me, but when you put it like Underdog does, it is just so obvious...
     
  9. swaffles

    swaffles New Member

    HAhaha...this was me a while ago! (minus the shemales, never got into that...but I would almost only watch cumshot comps)

    NO MORE THOUGH!
     
  10. abhishek

    abhishek New Member

    m starting today with this no pmo thing..how long should i stick to it do u reckon??
     
  11. Bazooka Joe

    Bazooka Joe New Member

    As long as it takes...
     
  12. Brunevii

    Brunevii Something I try to teach all my boys..

    You could couple it with those 'going to Mars' studies on isolation.

    Maybe there is a biomarker that could tell a doctor whether someone's been wanking.
     
  13. Bazooka Joe

    Bazooka Joe New Member

    And who would want to be in the control group when they have ED?

    "Yeah I have PIED but I'll wank to porn for 90-120 days just for science's sake"

    No way. When you recognize what your problem is, you'll want to stop that behavior.
     
  14. Rope-a-dope

    Rope-a-dope New Member

    The medical profession, big pharma, insurance companies, and hospitals are all, for the most part, in business to make money. If we were all healthy they would be out of business. Take care of yourself. Sometimes I feel like the deck is stacked against us. I like it when someone describes a problem and offers a solution that doesn't involve a prescription.

    We need to take back responsibility for our own health. Of course we will always appreciate the heroics that the medical community does provide. But day to day, as a nation, we are way off the mark. Maybe we can't change the world overnight. But we have started a trend relative to this particular phenomenon, and we have increased awareness.

    Stick with the program. Spread the word. Be well. Believe and succeed.
     
  15. Brunevii

    Brunevii Something I try to teach all my boys..

    You are pretty selfish, you know?
    I don't think they'd pay much for the study, but there is such thing as doing something for benfit of other people ...
     
  16. hogus

    hogus New Member

    Think how hard it was to convince ourselves to stop watching porn even after we found YBOP. Personally I started making changes immediately but they were shit changes; I was still MOing at least once a week for a few months before I actually tried to stop.
     
  17. Carl90

    Carl90 New Member

    How about read it, understand it and deal with it? ;)
     
  18. Gary Wilson

    Gary Wilson Active Member

    The following is a comment under David Ley's Psychology Today blog post entitled "An Erectile Dysfunction Myth: Pornography is not the problem." I felt it needed it's own post, as even several YBR members have recently doubted the existence of PIED.

    Note that he is probably seeing "older men, maybe 30 and older, and that the his patients are probably not the "under 25 crowd" who started early on streaming videos.


    Submitted by LAWRENCE A. SMILEY, M.D. on September 2, 2013 - 8:31am.

    PORNOGRAPHY & ERECTILE DYSFUNCTION


    In theory anything that gets a man an erection is good for his erections. Each time a man gets an erection the penis is flushed with oxygenated blood and the different expandable layers of the penis are expanded. This keeps the tissues and blood vessels healthy and elastic - which is good for the penis. So at first glance pornography should be a good thing for a man's erections.

    This is however, not always the case.

    If a man has no sexual partners and the bulk of his erections are through watching pornography and masturbating, then these erections are better for the penis than that man not having them at all.

    Pornography plays an entirely different dynamic for a man who has one or more sexual partners. The internet makes it possible to not only find pornography, but to find exactly the type of pornography that you want. So whatever a man finds to be most erotic - young women, heavy woman, married women, young men, older men, animals, cars, etc. - whatever it is - it can be easily and quickly found online. Here lies the problem. When a man who has no history of erectile dysfunction and who is watching pornography on a regular basis and who is watching what to him is the most erotic of all things, when he is with a partner after that - the real thing (his partner) may be less erotic or stimulating than his optimal pornographic experience.

    I see men almost every day in my sexual dysfunction practice in exactly this situation. They have developed over time, the inability to easily get a good solid erection with their partner and sometimes find it difficult to ejaculate with their partner.

    I advise these men to dramatically cut out the pornography they watch and after a few months their erections and ability to ejaculate with their partners almost always returns to normal for them. They can still masturbate all they want during this period of time - but not to erotic pornography.

    While the author makes an excellent point that clinicians, myself included, cannot support these observations with hard data and studies, the observations are so uniform among clinicians that it is logical to assume a that there is a direct correlation between a pornography addiction and erectile dysfunction, even while awaiting formal studies that conclusively prove this to the authors satisfaction.

    Lawrence A. Smiley, M.D.
    Men's Medical New York, P.C.

    LINK TO HIS COMMENT - http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/women-who-stray/201308/erectile-dysfunction-myth/comments#comment-551676

    LINK TO WEBSITE - http://mensmedicalnewyork.com/about_us_2.html



    Another comment under David Ley's post. This time by a sexologist. It seems as though reality is catching up with Ley. A very lucid description. Notice that she say's she is doing research.


    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/women-who-stray/201308/erectile-dysfunction-myth/comments#comment-553316

    re: the problem with conclusions

    Submitted by Dr. Rosalyn Dischiavo on September 8, 2013 - 7:49am.


    I'm sorry, Dr. Ley, but your conclusions are not valid because the research you quote does not address the specific type of sexually explicit material that these men are watching. The problem with most pornography research is that it almost always uses still porn (pictures of sexual acts or nudes), or films chosen by the researchers. These films are often uninteresting to the participants in the study.

    I don't know of a study that has allowed users of internet porn who state that they have ED to simply cruise the web as they normally would, look at what they normally look at (from most accounts, multiple, brief clips of a huge variety of sexual acts, sometimes more and more extreme), and then measure something relevant over an extended period. These men could then be compared with a control group. I would like to see a study done this way. If there is one, will someone on this thread please forward it to me? I need it for my research. But I don't think it exists yet.

    In the absence of such a study, I have to agree with the young men here. They have removed one variable, and they are seeing consistent results. And no one is giving them credit for figuring out what their problem is and finding a simple solution. I read the Reddit threads. Hundreds of posts, I read. What I found was that over a year or so of conversation about it, the men who stopped masturbating figured out (with the help of others on the thread) that they could return to masturbation after a short period, as long as they didn't turn back to internet, video porn.

    What is not being said here is that many of my colleagues and fellow sexologists are tremendously concerned about the rhetoric against pornography. They are afraid, and rightly so, of censorship. Censorship is pernicious, and undermines all research. It kills curiosity, debilitates progress. I have NO INTEREST in censoring anyone's use of sexually explicit material (though I do agree with the control of depictions of children or non-consenting adults, or animals, who cannot consent).

    But as a professor and a professional who teaches daily about human sexuality, I think we can certainly afford a scientific, multi-disciplined look at all of these issues. Indeed, we can't afford not to. As a human being and as a former therapist, I am tired of people who halt conversations midway because they refuse to look at their own motives, fears, and interests. Let's keep having the conversation. Let's deal with WHY we don't like what "the other side" is saying. Let's remain CURIOUS about each issue. And let's continue to LISTEN to each other as well as declare our lines in the sand.
     
  19. Napoleon Hill

    Napoleon Hill New Member

    Exactly. If we all solve our PIED problems on our own through discipline, then Conventional Western Medicine can't benefit financially by pushing pills on us. It's in Big Pharma's interests that we stay addicted to porn.

    I travelled down the same road myself in my 20s with my bad skin, when my dermatologist kept prescribing me antibiotics to cure my acne, when actually the antibiotics perpetuated the problem because the meds were killing all of the healthy bacteria in my body, thus allowing the bad bacteria to take control of my system. It was only when I did my own research and realized I could solve the problem with diet, over-the-counter supplements and healthy habits that my problem eventually went away. The dermatologist and pharmaceutical companies had no way to profit unless they kept perpetuating my skin issues, so they had no interest in educating me on the real remedies, which I eventually had to learn about on the internet through my own research.

    I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but this scam being pushed on us by Western Medicine that lots and lots of porn and masturbation are both perfectly normal does nothing but enslave the male masses as betas and generate revenue for physicians and Big Pharma.

    Thank you Gary Wilson for exposing yet another fraud in our society.
     
  20. Forgotten

    Forgotten Member

    I don't think there is any conspiracy behind the mis-recognition of PIED by most doctors. They simply have no clue that it exists. If there is a category that could have any interest in deliberately denying the truth on this issue, it is the category of "traditional" sexologist, that are not medical doctors and can't prescribe any medication. Leave "big pharma" out of this. Sometimes science takes time to catch up with reality. That's all.
     

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