I think it would be helpful trying to understand that both parties have their problems. Having PIED, for quite some time I couldn't grasp why people who are not plagued by PIED want to quit porn. But I'm sure that I would have acted out in major ways hadn't I been impotent from the beginning of being sexually active. Not to speak of brain fog, anxiety, adhd like symptoms e.g.. Suffering is always subjective. As silly as it sounds, someone with a torn nail could suffer worse than someone who is paraplegic. Having been in a mental ward, I know that some people really identify with their condition, like 'Oh look at me, I'm suffering so hard with my schizophrenia but you wouldn't know, you "just" have a depressive episode'. It always made me shake my head. At the end of the day, we are all in the same boat and we have a common goal and/or a common opponent. Trying to understand that someone with the same addiction but other manifestations suffers equally would be helpful. And without lecturing anyone, I would like to pick up on something Doper said: I think, people who never experienced ED from the get-go being young and healthy can't fathom what it does to you as a person. Impotency translates negatively to EVERYTHING you do and are until it even poisons your character. I had ED for almost 10 years before I found the reasons for it (~14 years of ED in total) and I probably have been to urologists more often in my life than my father who is almost 70 years old. You lose belief in yourself, you don't trust your skills anymore, the dirt under your nails outweigh the last broken bits of your self-esteem that is left, you can't be in relationships, you start developing problems with your male friends because they wanna know what the fuck is wrong with you when it comes to women, you get accustomed to always lying and you eventually become good at it, your anxiety baseline is much higher, everything, literally everything goes down the drain. You will never have a partner, you will never have kids, you will never have a family, you will die alone and bitter. I started binge drinking in my early twenties as a consequence to cope with my pain and I started becoming aggressive when being drunk because I carried so much anger and desperation inside that I couldn't direct or point anywhere because I didn't know what was happening with me. Nights in drunk tanks, brawling, vandalism, 1000€ fines, gotta catch 'em all! And eventually, you start to resign while becoming more depressed and suicidal by the day because who wants and who can live like this? It's not the malfunction per se, it's the malfunction that you are CURSED with. Imagine not being able to walk anymore but every doctor you visit tells you, your muscles are fine, your nervers are fine, your bones are fine, you must be nervous, here, take this funny blue pill, you should be able to walk just fine. But you aren't. And the fear of falling while trying to walk again increases almost exponentially. What if I fall again and break my hip next time? You can't pinpoint the problem and you can't find a solution because you don't even know what it would look like in your wildest dreams... How can you solve a puzzle, if you don't have a single piece at hand? Sometimes, it felt like being in a lucid nightmare. I once literally sprinted away from a woman who wanted to have sex with me. Like, I turned my back to her and started running full-speed Usain Bolt-style until she couldn't see me anymore because I was scared to death to fail one more time. The amount of shame is endless. In the end, having a dead dick was my least problem but it was the first problem that got it all started, so to say. So not understanding that someone with PIED is focussed on their dick, is funny to me. Porn robbed me of my late teens, my whole twenties and the first year of my thirties. And it nearly made me kill myself. And I bet, no, by now I KNOW that a PMO addict with a functioning dick could tell a similar story of pain, suffering, shame, and anxiety, just from the other side of the spectrum. If you read a few journals and listen to what 'these' guys say, you don't want to be in their shoes either. In conclusion, I hope everyone is looking ahead. Together. And please don't hesitate to spread the knowledge, it might save someone's life. It saved mine. If only the anon on an anonymous image board who posted a link of YBOP knew how much he helped me. I hope, life is treating him well... Being miserable, having bodily malfunctions, acting out because you are in the shackles of porn addiction is horrible and terrifying. And not knowing that it is caused by porn and that you are addicted to it is the worst. When I learned about it 4-5 years ago, it literally saved my life. A pissing contest to see who had it worse serves nobody. Sorry for hijackig your journal, had to get it off of my chest.