The "No Arousal" Method - Celibacy of Body AND Mind

I completely subcribe to this method. Great post. Wish me luck brothers and good luck to you all. Let's get our freedom and manhood back. I belive that not only us, but the world will be the will be a better place because of our transformation. Love to all.

 

My new era starts from today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Thank you bro!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You enlightened my vision!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

 

Guys, this worked like gangbusters for me once. I was doing it without even ever reading it about it on this thread, I was totally shutting down any sexual thought or image, no matter the source. NO DOPAMINE BUZZES ALLOWED! And it was like a miracle.

I'm not sure how I stumbled out of this knowledge or stopped doing it (probably thought I was cured and could browse images again), anyway, I'm back to no arousal and I look forward to the crazy flatline that's coming from it. The flatline I got for doing this was insane, I was totally asexual for a few weeks…then BAM, boners flying everywhere.

Thanks for reminding me of what really works.

 

Hey bigbookofpenis,

I've just browsed through your thread and i'd like to hear your opinion in a shortish response if possible. First off i agree with most of what the NoA method is about. Some is extreme in my eyes to be used beyond the initial abstinence period of overcoming PMO addiction, particularly the billboards, eyes downward etc. I prefer to reframe how i see those overwhelmingly normal things in our overly sexual society.

To my question, do you think this approach in it's entirety is applicable long term for single guys/bachelors or is it simply to break the ties from PMO addiction?

 

I remember reading this thread a few months ago but I never really stuck with NoA. I'll definitely try to keep my arousal to a minimum, I think it could help me get back on my feet again.

 

Complete arousal prevention is the only way to go.As time goes on,the worst cases of porn addiction are emerging in the internet and this forum,and they/we take a lot of time to fully recover,some people already had to go 2 years for this.Its safe to say that for most of us,without a complete no arousal discipline,we will never recover.At least not before we get too old.

 

@Andress

yes very well said.

 

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good to hear this method is still ringing bell for SOME addicts for majority of YBR users it SEEMS too tough or even EXTREME, but frankly, many YBR users are strugling with other methods too… you have little to loose by trying... but remember that everyone is different, what fixes one addict may totally fail for the other... thats OK, its not a fault of particular method or belief system, nothing is universal... this method got me out of the worst pit, up and running... you may try it for few weeks or a month... its like FIRST AID KIT and when you get out of the worst zone you may re-evaluate and decide if you want to stick with it forever or few months or a year...

consider its basically an equivalent to Alcoholic Anonymous or heroin adicts regime in its toughness - these addicts ussualy cant touch alcohol or needle for the REST OF THEIR LIFE !!!

consider this, no one ever explained all the reasons (physical and psychological) why some can drink alcohol and smoke marihuana and pop LSD and party on COCAIN and remain IN CONTROL their whole life, while others totaly destroy their health and become junkies that need medical help to survive the addiction - everyone reacts to drugs and addictive behaviours differently - some people just need to take a rest for a while, some musnt ever touch the substance ever in their life or they fall back into the same gutter immediatelly - iam not judging, its a well documented fact, some people can handle drugs, alcohol, addictive behaviours, some dont… if you are the first or the second case is individual - not everyone develops addiction on PORN - yet there are individuals whose life is turned into HELL with PORN - No Arousal is method, how much you need it, is unfortunatelly very individual and stems from a whole coctail of biological, hereditory, psychological, neurochemical predispositions - some of which are in your DNA and unchangable much like eye color, height, bone density, etc.

85% of guys have no problem with drinking alcohol, yet guys who were alcohol addicts (like really serious way, where their liver is damaged) or hardcore drug users like Heroin, Crack, Crystal Meth, etc. most of these addicts cant even walk past a pub or beerhouse without really excrutiating pain both psychological and physical... their brain is totally hyper-responsive to any CUES of former addictive substance or EVEN AN ASSOCIATED BEHAVIOURS (for example some drug addicts get excrutiating craving only seeing needles or syringes at the regular doctor checkup - ive seen drug addicts in documentaries admiting they are addicted to the whole needle injection proccess through some weird psychological associative obsession)...

now just translate such extreme reactivity on cues to sexual addicts daily life... its no different...

this poor guy was addicted to pictorial representation of sexual intercourse and subsequent gratification of orgasm and ejaculation - this guy was "shooting up" orgasms several times a day, every day, with EXTREMELY arousing (aka gratifying) visual content - HARDCORE PORN in HIGH DEFINITION where primitive 50.000 years old human brain doesnt distinguish between real reproductive material and pictured-one - the visuals are so realistic that human brain hidden in the darkness of your skull has no way to distinguish if your eyes out there are seeing real woman of EXTREME GENETIC AND REPRODUCTIVE QUALITY or if its just a super hot and super beautifull 20 something model on screen with her legs wide open showing all signs of reproductive accesibility... it sounds clicnical but nature is cold blooded bitch with a very strict agenda... it doesnt loose precious time with ifs and buts... you are a mamal with 50.000 years old brain... you see a 9/10 female showing you off her pussy - the nature doesnt know what LCD pixels are - the nature pulls all triggers in your body to switch you into "REPRODUCTIVE ROBOT" if you like it or not... nature has mechanisms in place, inside your body, that are WAY STONGER than your will-power... can you stop extreme pain with will-power ? most people cant... body has built-in mechanisms that can overide your willpower if survival is at risk... nature has extremely powerfull mechanisms in place for reproduction and gene propagation... once you unleash and activate these natural mechanisms inside your body with PORN its almost impossible to control them with will-power... nature will MAKE YOU REPRODUCE AND PROPAGATE...

unfortunatelly nature didnt prepare your brain 50.000 years back to properly distinguish between REAL and 150 years old invention of PHOTOGRAPHY - capturing light with metalic powder on paper and later with digital pixels…

NO, NATURE DIDNT EXPECT PHOTOGRAPHY !!! nature will adjust the human brain but it may take several thousand years… in the meantime humans found a loophole in the brain design and they are prepared to exploit it and milk it as much as they can… PORN IMAGES (PHOTOS AND MOVIES) are an artificial steroidal material that can boost your brain's neurotransmitter levels (the reward circuitry)…

Humans throughout history periodically discover similar loopholes in brain design and eagerly exploit them before majority of society discovers (after several decades) how detrimental and dangerous the substances really are and ban them to "forcibly" protect human health of uneducated or stupid users... there was opium, there was heroin (once sold as legal cough-syrup), cocain (that was legal for some time and even added to Coca Cola), there was nicotine (as late as 1970's cigarette companies were denying that cigarettes cause lung cancer and are addictive), there is alcohol and a brief period of prohibition... and now for last 100 years there is PORN PHOTOGRAPHY AND MOVIES... PORN is too young for society to recognise its destructive nature... it may take several more decades of ruined adolescence before anyone even considers that PORN might be the culprit... than the real FIGHT will begin between neuro-scientists and PORN industry hiding behind the old trick argument "REAL SEX IS NATURAL - SO VIRTUAL SEX IS NATURAL"... it will be tough to produce valid judical evidence that clearly distinguish between REAL SEX and PORN... take cigarette companies... for 50 years its clear that smoking causes lung cancer and very severe nicotine addiction, yet there was no power to ban the cigarettes despite ALL THE SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE... whatever the reason i guess the same story will happen with PORN... in several decades it will be scientifically proven that PORN is EXTREMELY ADDICTIVE and CAUSES ALL HOSTS OF NEUROPSYCHOLOGICAL ILNESSES but it will never be banned...

SO I SAY SEX IS GOOD AND NATURAL IF DONE IN REAL LIFE WITH REAL HUMAN, I AGREE WITH ALL SEX LIBERATION MOVEMENT SINCE 1960s AND ALL HIPPIE MOVEMENT AND FREE SEX AND ALL... YES LETS FUCK EVERYWHERE AND EVERYTIME... 10x A DAY WITH NEW PARTNERS IF YOU THINK YOU CAN HANDLE IT AND IF YOU ARE SO GOOD IN ATTRACTING WOMEN, HEH )

REAL SEX IS AROUND SINCE THE DAWN OF HUMAN CIVILISATION SO HUMAN BODY AND BRAIN IS FULLY ADAPTED WITH ALL FAIL-SAFE MECHANISMS IN PLACE SINCE APES...

BUT VIRTUAL SEX AND PORN IS EVIL INVENTION THAT TOOK THE INVENTION OF PHOTOGRAPHY 150 YEARS AGO AND TURNED IT AGAINST HUMAN BRAIN AND HUMAN NATURE - OUR 50.000 YEARS OLD BRAIN IS FOOLED AND HAS NO DEFENCE SYSTEMS AGAINST VIRTUAL SEX... all the sex liberation claims used by porn industry is BULLSHIT... they are not selling you REAL SEX... they are selling your MATRIX... an artificial, fake, distorted, on steroids VIRTUAL REALITY that makes your 50.000 years old brain overload and malfunction... REAL SEX cannot make your brain sick because it was made to handle it... but nature never constructed your brain to cope with VIRTUAL SEX via PHOTOGRAPHY INVENTION AND PHOTO REPRODUCTION with all its technical possibilities that totally surpass the limits that your brain was made to handle 50.000 yeras ago...

in 21st century the society is literally INSANE with 2 things, MONEY and SEX… and in my opinion MONEY and WEALTH is only means to get SEX… so id say lets rephrase that modern society is INSANE with 1 thing, SEX

SEX IS EVERYWHERE, MASS-MEDIA are pregnant with sex, the commercialisation of SEX is like CANCER - ive seen adverts on HAIR PRODUCTS, CARS, ALCOHOL, COFFEE (!!!) that operate with sexual cues or imagery... some industries like music videos went almost openly pornographic - MUSIC !!! - do i really need to see thongs and asses stretched all over my 46" TV when my ears listen to a pop song - well apparently YES, because SEX SELLS... PORN victims trying to reduce amount of sexual cues are expendable victims... the majority of society WANTS SEX, MORE PLEASE, THANK YOU... OOOOH IT FEELS SO GOOD...

the major failure of 21st century is lack of distinction between REAL SEX (GOOD) and VIRTUAL SEX (BAD)… the society blinded by the technological progress didnt realise that some invention when used incorectly may have adverse effect on human psychology and even neurobiology… humans are built to function in certain natural enviroinment that took thousand and milions of years to develop the way it is now…

150 years ago (1850's) before invention of PHOTOGRAPHY or 100 years ago (1900's) before wider public spread of erotic and pornographic photography, THERE WAS NO VIRTUAL SEX, paintings couldnt fool a human brain that they are real life… but photography and its modern sibling HIGH RESOLUTION DIGITAL PHOTOGRAPHY AND MOVIES are very capable of fooling your 50.000 years old brain into thinking its seeing REAL LIFE…

Whoever tries to object against PORN is accused of objecting "against sex which is natural thing" - BUT there is the major catch, an invisible slip of hand used by PORN industry…

PORN IS NOT SEX… NOT EVEN CLOSE !!!

PORN could be called a modern age MATRIX…

- its something that resambles something familiar, natural and healthy
- it fools your 50.000 old brain into thinking it is doing something which it isnt in reality
- it can give you highly desirable, rewarding and succesfull mating opportunities that you wouldnt normally ever meet in your average joe life
- it can make your brain produce natural "feel good" and "good job" pleasure and rewarding substances, that you normally have to work hard and be very clever to obtain in competing nature
- it can do all above ON DEMAND, without waiting, without planing, without any fight or need to solve problems to get to these rewards
- the supplies are UNLIMITED and INEXHAUSTIBLE, there are absolutelly no external limits applied other than your own desire

last 3 points are extremely intresting… and they apply to the VIRTUAL NATURE and easy reproducibility of PHOTOGRAPHY and PORN… anything that a human desires is limited in real life… REAL FOOD, REAL SEX have many limitations why we cant always have as much as we want, when we want it… actually REAL SEX WITH DESIRABLE AND HIGH QUALITY women is very much demanded and there is a competition fight in REAL LIFE to get to copulate with these women… the competitive fight between males involves great deal of INTELIGENCE, RESOURCES, TIME INVESTMENT and not to forget YOUR OWN LEVEL OF DESIRABILITY BY THE WOMEN… some guys are naturally better quality genetic material than others and the WOMEN MUST MAKE WISE CHOICES TOO…

i could go on and on and on and the more you think about PORN and compare it with REAL SEX the more you find out that PORN is VERY VERY VERY WRONG… and dont let porn bussiness drag you into their oldest trick that SEX is NATURAL and therefore PORN is NATURAL - THERE IS NOTHING FURTHER FROM NATURAL SEX THAN PIXELS ON YOUR SCREEN...

 

Porn is a BIG part of the matrix, great post.

 

AND ITS OFFICIAL !!!

http://yourbrainonporn.com/cambridge-university-brain-scans-find-porn-addiction

Mr. Valerie Voon officially published her study that is basically the building stone of this thread (it is referenced extensively in my first posts on this thread)...

THIS SINGLE STUDY MADE ME GO COLD-TURKEY WITH PORN... IT WAS ON 14th OCTOBER 2013...

First heard about this study being performed in the british Channel 4 documentary "Porn on the Brain" (http://www.channel4.com/programmes/porn-on-the-brain) that was aired around October 2013...

After nearly 6 moths the study mentioned in the Channel 4 documentary was officially published...

This is a new era of PORN addiction research... This study will hopefully set off an avalanche of PORN addiction research which is currently almost non-existent because PORN industry managed to persuade everybody that PORN is natural because it depicts REAL SEX which is natural so "there can't be ABSOLUTELLY NO DOUBT that watching PORN is natural human behaviour, just like HAVING SEX"...

So far the only debate between PORN advocates and enemies is largely based around Christian ethics or the civil rights and freedom to produce and consume PORN... the health risks of PORN are almost never mentioned because:

A) PORN is equated to REAL SEX - and since REAL SEX is natural so must PORN be natural
B) Because PORN is regarded as natural as REAL SEX there are no studies on health effects of PORN (its assumed they are same as SEX which is studied enough)

Dr. Valerie Voon now opened a PANDORA'S BOX... her study of PORN is full of very serious accusations about health risks of PORN... she will no doubt get a fair share of scorning both from PORN industry and all connected pro-PORN lobbyists... but she will also get a lot of frowning from "serious scientists" who rather than admiting that they missed PORN health risks for almost 20 years will try to keep their face against the facts and they will try to argue with the SERIOUS ACCUSATIONS that Ms. Valerie Voon reveals to the public... FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HISOTRY OF HUMAN NEUROSCIENCE A SCIENTIST SAYS PORN IS UNHEALTHY AND ADDICTIVE... VALERIE VOON WAS FIRST

 

I have a some questions!

If I get triggered by an image, and it makes my gut heat up (one of the signs of getting aroused) do i start over or just keep going?

And on the list of things i should avoid, should i avoid anime? (because, you know, fanservice)

And i wonder, when you did this, would you say it was harder than the normal nofap challenge in the beginning? I am hoping it gets easier as time passes (After i pass the 3 week line, which is where i have always relapsed before)

I hate to ask so many things, but finally: Should i avoid thinking of girls at all, because i have maladaptive daydreaming (look it up! ), and one of the things i like daydreaming about is romance (not sex anymore). And i would like to know how bad this is for me.

Thanks, i appreciate anything you can tell me!

 

if its not relapse... keep going but remember that particular trigger and avoid it next time - like a sexy billboard that you pass every morning to work... next time look away... if its a sexy secretary... try to minimise contact with her during work time... at least for the duration of the NoA period (3-12 months)... its all pretty common sense... dont get your brain triggered, if it happens dont let it make you relapse, learn from it and avoid the known trigger next time...

anime (hentai, futanari, etc.) can be pretty hardcore porn so definitelly avoid...

i guess the first few months was actually easy to do NoA because i was on a mission and had a goal... to completely reset my brain... sometimes less is more...

you dont have to avoid thinking about girls in non-sexual way... but i know i wasnt really able to do so... so i occupied my mind with WORK, BOOKS, COMPUTERS, HOBBIES, BODYBUIDLING, HEALTHY DIET, SORTING MY STUFF and forgot girls altogether for few months... its definitelly doable...

any sexual or erotic fantasies are bad for you during reset...

check all the guys relapsing every few days... they stop PORN but leave their brain preocupied with sex, erotica, girls, petting, female bodies, lingerie, all that "harmless and normal" everyday stuff...

i guess when you forget about "female species" for 3 months you will do better... you can extend it to 5 months and by that time you should be OFF THE HOOK... than you have to be very alert for PORN triggers but you should be easy after 3-5 months of NoA...

iam almost year without PORN and the cravings still come sometimes - like once every 14 days - but it more like nagging than craving and its very easy to control...

 

Hi BBoP,

Just wanted to say that I really appreciate all of your posts. The first time I read them back in September, I went for 8 days PMO free which was my second all-time high in my life.

I know some have been really negative and rude to you in the posts - but don't mind them, there's always some people in the world who cannot be made happy.

There's so much insight to everything in your method.

From using red X's to make your good days stand out on your calendar apart from the black X days - all the way to the concept of making your mind like a monastery/sanctuary. You are right, PMO is only one aspect of the problem - we don't crave it specifically, we crave more generally oogling/fantasizing - and PMO is just an easier way to carry out that oogling/fantasizing.

Once I stopped doing that - and forced myself to think of other things at sleep times, and wake times (which is when most of my fantasizing would occur) and lower my gaze and replace it with silent dhikr (an Islamic meditation where silently call on the name of God) I was able to achieve a great amount of success - although I did relapse.

I am trying to enact this again - and have made a summary doc of your posts on NoA (posts 1-3, 6, 17, 32-36) --> tinyurl.com/noarousal

I think it would be good for some regular reading until the concepts are ingrained in one's mind. However - my only criticism is you have a lot of triggers in your writing - and are a bit too descriptive of female bodies - for those of us trying not to think of them.

Again, really appreciate your help,

 

great to hear the NoA still attracts new people... i wish you all strong motivation to stick with this hardcore detox... it sure aint easy... but it helped me to break of the hook... the first 2-6 months are crucial and you must be really hard on yourself (your addicted monkey brain)... it all makes sense...

iam now little over 365 days and although i have some PORN cravings once in a while (sudden nag-nag at the back of my head when browsing internet bored in the evening) - but its only a distant idea once every 14 days or so and i can easily push it away in 5 seconds and go on with the day...

there is always a risk that i will slip but its pretty easy walk these days... the craving are like 5% of what they used to be just 5 months ago and they only come once in a while...

 

The point of not looking at women is to redirect your mind elsewhere. I've been doing this for a while, although it's impossible to be perfect bordering on suicide. Meditation helps a shit load.

 

practice makes perfect - but i agree not looking on girls is probably the hardest thing to decide and keep, even temporarily (the first 3-6 months makes the difference and let you of the hook)... i had my fair share of depresive episodes (in fact i still have them occasionally)... but thats the addicted brain kicking and missing his PORN WONDERLAND OF ENDLESS POSSIBILITIES... everyday life with 1 woman (or none in many cases) can now seem a little dull when you give up the keys to "pussy paradise"...

stopping PORN cold turkey (especially after 19 years) is not like wakeing up next day "wow, ok, so thats behind me now, i wonder why it took me so long, welcome my new and shiny life, what awesome activity i start first"... nope its much darker and gets worse and worse the more days you are starving your overfed libido from visiting "the paradise"...

take away HEROIN from heroin addict and he will be unable to cope with everyday life... after 10 days without shoot-up he will probably do anything to end his mysery, including maybe suicide... i think most longterm addicts (HEROIN, OPIOIDS, LIQUER, HARDCORE PORN) experienced at least once some ideas about "whats the meaning of this without my favorite go to pleasure fix"...

to conclude on positive side... NoA (not looking on girls for temporary healing period) is much like meditation... the point is not being perfect in it from start but NEVER GIVE UP TRYING after each distraction...

 

I totally agree with that. The remark about triggers is true as well. Only that I read the first posts already one year ago. So, I am even more impressed by big book's progress. Thank you for this inspiring thread and your endurance.

I think I finally have this "celibacy of body and mind" mindset and keep repeating the phrase every time my brain starts wandering off to addiction territory. (I first got this idea from Sherwin Nuland's TED talk on electroshock therapy where, around minute 15, he talks about his phrase to battle obsessive thoughts and behaviour: "aah fuck it").

@overhibernate: thanks for your summary. I just downloaded it and saved it twice on my computer. First, in an easy-to-reach folder and second right next to my K9 password, so every time I am navigating to this password I am reminded not to give in.

 

Media, obviously no.
Fantasising, obviously no.
Looking away when you see a woman? A bit much in my opinion. Rather than focusing energy on not getting aroused, you simply need to fill your life up with other engaging things.

 

Bbop great post. How long were you in flatline? Are you feeling good now with over a year under your belt?

 

hey bbop.

its my 30th day of NO PMO and no smoke ... i religiously fallowed this ... but i wasn't much sure about no O or RS... after 5-6 days of no pmo challenge i have taken up 60 days hard reboot task but i failed on it .... coz it was a moment of heat and i went on it...

in last 30 days ... i had one wet dream ... two times RS(one time i had PE) second time i used one doctor prescribed drug to avoid P.E.

I need your help on P.E. part i don't want to be always dependent on medicines ... but same time its difficult for me to go on hard reboot as i am married ...

if you get chance please go thru my journel ....need your valuable advice ....