The Cake is a Lie

Discussion in 'Ages 20-24' started by InsideOut, Aug 26, 2012.

  1. InsideOut

    InsideOut Guest

    Such a fast changes are quite scary by themselves :) But I hope I'll like them if they come.
     
  2. ModusVivendi

    ModusVivendi New Member

    Thanks RedPill =]
    I agree with this, it is also the reason why CleanHands isn't on here anymore though. He has followed that mentality, it is truly a shame.

    I say although it holds logic, one can change. You can do 2 things:
    1. Change yourself so your chances increse (looks and everything else)
    2. Patience, patience, patience. Give it 300 fucking days. You know if you don't give it, your chances will be absolute shit to 0, but if you do, you know your chances are way higher. You haven't got laid in 21 years, so you're not willing to give this 1 year??
     
  3. TheUnderdog

    TheUnderdog Active Member Staff Member

    You can masturbate without porn once in a while until you finally get laid.

    Just stay away from the porn.
     
  4. InsideOut

    InsideOut Guest

    Personally, I can't. When I gave up porn, I felt nothing, but when I gave up fapping, I began to transform. You can check my posts on a few previous pages, there was funny events with girls, despite of being small on a first sight there was huge for a virgin guy who never initiated anything and was incapable to look in the eyes for more than a second. So for me, fapping had the bigger effect on my attitude than porn only. Maybe Clean/StickyHands is from the same group.

    Don't get me wrong, I find your idea to be profound and effective, but only in cases where the porn was the main factor. If one is able to fap several times a day regardless of having access to video, it won't work.

    These are good points, thanks :) And I will certainly utilize them once I gain enough horniness to not to give excuses. But on the earliest stages, when you don't see any yield from abstaining, the irrational points I mentioned may prevail, and it seem logical too since your mind doesn't have the relevant experience (i.e. desire to go for girls) to believe in the right ones. Self-fulfilling prophecy of some kind.
     
  5. RedPill

    RedPill Back to Reality...

    That is exactly it. It's only because you are in the early stages. When you become naturally horny and easily attracted to real women, I don't think you'll have a problem. Even though you look at women and find them attractive, you're not at the stage where you feel real sexual energy towards them, like you can't wait to get them in bed. A certain part of your brain likes the idea of it, but the rest of your body is still catching up. Once it has, you will realise that sex is a very real possibility. An inevitability in fact.

    The only other element to the 'supposed mystery' of dating and courtship is the talking part. And you just talk to women the same way as you do to your friends. There is no 'game'. Fuck the 'game'. This isn't a quiz show or the X-Factor, this is a real relationship we are talking about. Women are not puzzles to be solved. They are human beings. And they hate guys who play games. Talk to girls openly and naturally about things that you want to talk about. Not all of them will be compatible with your personality, but it is better to talk to lots of them and arrive at a good one, rather than trying to adapt your own character to the personality of the first attractive girl you see. That's not fun at all. And even the semi-intelligent ones can see through a bullshitter. They appreciate honesty.

    • Build up sexual energy through prolonged reboot
    • When you get to that stage, talk to girls normally until you get one who shows interest
    • Hey presto! - potential sex partner.

    There is no logic whatsoever to the other line of thinking that was highlighted, and if CleanHands has left this forum because of that, then that is a truly senseless and tragic act. And it is equally tragic if you follow him.
     
  6. InsideOut

    InsideOut Guest

    I like your plan and I totally agree :) That's why I quoted the word 'game', since there isn't such a thing. It's just the matter of meeting the person you're comfortable with and building an attraction. Some problem is that I'm comfortable in solitude too, there should be some way to spark the desire to know them and become intimate with them, but it will come as reboot goes, I hope. BTW, I won't leave the forum yet :) And I'm as determined as I was when I first read the YBOP.
     
  7. RedPill

    RedPill Back to Reality...

    The introverted personality type naturally enjoys their own space and time to think and develop/express themselves. I am one of those people. That might not change for us post-reboot, but there are plenty of relationships that feature introverts. You can find a woman who is also an introvert, comfortably agreeing to give each other space to explore your own interests freely. And there are even books written on how an introvert can thrive with an extrovert as a partner, and vice versa. There are all sorts of people and relationships out there. But even introverts like sex and bonding of some kind from time to time, which is what PMO has robbed us of. We'll certainly get that back, and people will be more appealing to us than they are now.

    But as introverts, we will probably always feel the need for some personal time to ourselves, because we get our energy from within, from learning new skills and acquiring knowledge and thinking and doing. Extroverts get their energy from other people. That is not to say that this is bad. Most people are extrovert, and they seem to be living happier lives. But there is an almost profound richness that comes from being an introvert. We see things that extroverts do not, because we stop to question and analyse them more. Many of history's greatest artists, philosophers, scientists and inventors were introverts. We'd be living in a very different world without them.

    If there is one thing I have learned from being an introvert, it is that I enjoy the company of others more when we are brought together to actually do something. I'm less of a fan of sitting around chatting idly. Unless you have a particularly intellectual group of friends, people tend to run out of things to say pretty quickly. It is better to arrange group activities - such as playing sports, visiting a museum, going on a trip, going to a gig or a club, or whatever. Something to keep things moving. It's more stimulating for the introvert than the constant prattle of small talk. It always amazes me how extroverts can chat for ages about what they bought last week or what they ate last night, and appear to actually enjoy the conversation. I kinda envy them in a way.
     
  8. InsideOut

    InsideOut Guest

    I think it's not a problem when relationships are already established, but something like "Oh, she's cute, okay, but I'm not very interested to know her closely, I'm content with myself already." But maybe I just should shut up about that until I pass at least a few weeks :)
     
  9. TheUnderdog

    TheUnderdog Active Member Staff Member

    Yeah, I also get much more benefits when I abstain completely.

    I just don't want you to watch porn.

    That's all.
     
  10. digitalzone

    digitalzone Guest

    Yes, I think everybody including me know this. It's your comfort zone and laziness. Your subconscious is rationalizing choice to not do some action. But for this time, it should be better only to try get in friendship with these girls. You won't be so tense, when you will try to make friends, but you will act, that's better than nothing.
     
  11. kodomin

    kodomin New Member

    I would like to note, that in my personal experience, there will never come a time when you automatically go out, talk to girls and just simply start having relationships/sex with them. Just like your brain is wired to watch porn, you are also wired to not push things forward with women. For example: I went to this house party a week ago. The general mindset I had was not that interested in talking with girls, I was afraid and nervous. However, I still went around talking with all people. I had to force myself. What I noticed is that I was having real fun. Just before the party, I was not even aware that I can have fun like this. But when I did push it, it felt great.
    There is something rewarding about going out of your comfort zone. And the thing is, relationships with people will not get better if you don't do something yourself. You have to push it, even if you have some great excuse why you should not do that.
     
  12. 252017

    252017 www.Legendary-Peace.com

    Maybe you won't automatically talk to them. But you automatically sense them. That is the difference.
     
  13. kodomin

    kodomin New Member

    Yep, but there is no point in waiting for that. Learning to interact in social situations is a challenge on itself, there is no point in putting it off until some conditions are met.
     
  14. 252017

    252017 www.Legendary-Peace.com

    Sensing is interaction... Its eye contact, its body language, etc... You are right that eventually you are going to have to "pull the trigger"; but you know well in advance whether or not there is a connection based on infinite unspoken factors. Nature baby. MHMMM SMELL THAT GODDAMN FRESH MOUNTAIN AIR.
     
  15. ModusVivendi

    ModusVivendi New Member

    ^Don't mind him, he's lucid dreaming.
     
  16. InsideOut

    InsideOut Guest

    But he's right ;D

    Anyway, I'm not very good, getting up late again and it ruins my days. Trying to get on track.
     
  17. ModusVivendi

    ModusVivendi New Member

    So dude, why don't you have a counter? Because I have NO idea what PMO day you're on and what MO day you're on.
     
  18. ModusVivendi

    ModusVivendi New Member

    Bro! You're disappearing!
     
  19. sak1234

    sak1234 Member

    Maybe he is just trying to stay away from the internet altogether?

    Whatever helps him reach his goal I suppose...
     
  20. ModusVivendi

    ModusVivendi New Member

    He's Russian, I bet you he's playing chess right now.
     

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