Ted Bundy and porn..

Discussion in 'Pornography Addiction' started by Complex, Jul 12, 2016.

  1. Complex

    Complex Member

    Random Post out of boredom ..

    Just a random rant about Ted Bundy. I was watching a Ted Bundy interview a while back, most of you probably know him as one of the worst considering he killed and mutilated dozens of women. If yous dont know him watch interviews of him. I've never seen a person as superficially charming as him. He's very interesting. Watching him its hard not to like the guy. He wells spoken and would think he's normal if you didn't know the evilness behind the mask. I can see how manipulative he was, even watching him through a video.

    What i found interesting firstly was the fact he "took full responsibility" even though he wouldn't of felt remorse for his actions..(they said serial killers never take full responsibility) but he also said that porn played a huge factor in his murders. A lot of people think that because he puts blame on porn that means he is dodging responsibility but no one commits murder for the heck of it. Of course porn would of played a factor and he doesn't make it as an excuse he just said it basically flicked a switch.

    I think if he had a normal upbringing and if of stayed married would of been fine. Millions of people are sociopaths but dont commit crimes just because of decent upbringings.

    You can say its still no excuse, which it isn't but some people are born with violent tendencies or develop them. Being exposed to porn can trigger them. Theres other reasons why. upbringing, surroundings and seeing disturbing things.

    Bundy is the extreme of the extreme but on a smaller harmless aspect if you will, i can understand how some people search for deeper and darker shit. peoples brains are programmed differently... some people have additive behaviours naturally. When i people relapse on this i think to myself they are lazy and dont care but as i said brains are different and addiction is real.

    Ted Bundy interview:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwyIOmjvvd8

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    Net Nanny lists a few serial killers who used hard Pornography
    https://www.netnanny.com/blog/what-serial-killers-and-murderers-think-about-pornography/
     
  2. Glad you posted this.. Definitely made me think. If that really was his major reason for committing his cirmes (could be a convenient scapegoat) then why aren't there more people like him? No doubt there are VASTLY more guys seeing WAY WORSE content online nowadays.. I would think there would be more sexual violence reported.


    Unless PMO from internet is just sooo bad these days that it makes even people like him turn into feeble losers with social anxiety lol.
     
  3. UpendiT

    UpendiT Member

    They break down and shoot random people now. TBH these people would have likely been normal, intelligent individuals without P.
     
  4. Borges08

    Borges08 Member

    The dude didn't even grow up with internet porn lol. Porn =/= being a murderer.
     
  5. Complex

    Complex Member

    No but he had magazines, pictures and the odd tape. Started at a young age and just searched for the worst shit he could find until there wasn't anymore.

    The stuff he was reading was men dominating, raping and controlling women. He had a fetish for that and whatever else and being mentally ill he went out into the real world and carried out his fantasies.

    Some people can watch porn for years without getting ED, anxiety, depressed etc. It different strokes for different folks. If a sociopath with a bad up bringing got into hard porn i could only imagine what he would be thinking of doing.
     
  6. Who knows, really? If Bundy didn't have porn, maybe he would have grown up to be a decent law abiding citizen. Or maybe he would get the idea for rape and murder some other way...
    It used to be very common in the military to systematically rape the enemy's women during times of war. Only recently did the law recognize that a man could rape his wife. Times have changed so fast that it's hard to appreciate just how little protection from male sexual violence women had in the past. We are all feminists now, to a certain extent. There is an infinite source of ideas from history that Bundy could come across for inspiration, even without hardcore porn.
     
  7. Complex

    Complex Member

    if he kept his mind free of porn material until he was a bit older he might of been able to handle himself better. like we all would of. If we started porn later it would be better as our brains would be mostly formed. But most of us started young and in turn we didn't let our brains form properly.

    its hard to say but porn at a young age can warp your mind. I do agree theres a good chance he would of got influenced maybe later on in life.

    I mean Jeffrey Dahmer actually had a normal family. They got divorced when he was a teenager but still. He saw a carcass on a beach i think it was, and it fascinated him. He wishes he never saw it because he became obsessed with what was inside of animals and eventually led to humans.

    So certain fetishes in people could be genetic?. once it triggered it hard to stop. He said in an interview that he still had the urges to kill and they will never go away. Then again the guy seems really normal other than the murders and shit lol. He could of been ok too if he received help earlier
     
  8. It could possibly be genetic. Or maybe not. It's fascinating to discuss psychopaths and serial killers because these people live right on the edge of sanity. Not quite sane, but not quite insane. Somewhere in between. They completely understand the consequences of their actions just like normal people, but they don't care. Or they choose not to. Is it a choice, or is it not? Sounds a lot like addiction. It's disturbing to think that there are limits to free will, and that the boundary between free will and non-free will is not a solid line, but blurred. Just another uncomfortable fact that we live in a world of grey, not black and white.
     
  9. Borges08

    Borges08 Member

    I think it's a load of horse shit half of the population on this planet watches porn they're not all serial killers.
     
  10. Imfree

    Imfree Active Member

    I made a very similar post to this on this forum a while back and all of the replies I got were saying that porn won't make you kill and that this was just some angle that Bundy was playing (possibly in collusion with his lawyer) to try to avoid the death penalty and that it was just another one of his insincere ploys.

    I agree with the OP on this one. I think that porn could lead a person to kill. The dehumanization, erosion of meaning and morals, could lead to murder. Several years ago I had frequent thoughts that porn combined with other factors were creating in me a desire to kill (although I knew that I never would have acted on it and would have killed myself first).

    In my post I mentioned the Jane's Addiction song "Ted...Just admit it" which the band said was based on this interview. "Sex and Violence" turns to "Sex is Violent". It's a really insightful song, especially when heard by a porn addict. "The news is just another show...with sex and violence". So true.

    Another interesting thing about Ted Bundy and the like: Women tend to think a guy is "creepy" if he is quiet and withdrawn, however serial killers are always abnormally charming and gregarious. I remember hearing about another killer who threw big parties at his house. Everybody loved him and the parties, in spite of the fact that his house smelled terrible. It turns out that the smell was corpses rotting in the attic. I tool an Abnormal Psychology course. The instructor told us a story: "I had a colleague who was interviewing an alleged killer. She was thinking 'Oh no, it couldn't have been him. This is such a sweet, great guy. I want to go on a date with him.' The guy was Ted Bundy".

    As to why there are so many mass shootings these days and why it often seems completely "out of character" as far as the person who opened fire is concerned, I would say that SSRIs are a bigger factor than porn. They always say "of course this happened, he was mentally ill" although the tragedy occurs shortly after the individual seeks "treatment". Also I wouldn't discount the possibility of people being used as patsies by secret agencies to pursue various agendas (eyewitness accounts often contradict with the "lone gunman" story and the media story is often inconsistent).

    Porn and antidepressants are obviously part of an agenda to create a smaller, more docile population (sounds "crazy", but undeniable) (along with feminizing chemicals, etc.), although it could backfire at times in terms of docility.
     
  11. Imfree

    Imfree Active Member

    OK, I finally watched the entire interview.

    On one level Ted seems phony and insincere, playing an angle. The body language is interesting. He's constantly doing the "steepling" gesture associated with evil, which makes him look like Mr. Burns. One doubts weather he has truly found Jesus or has a conception of the innocence of a child.

    On the other hand, a lot of the stuff that he says is similar to my experience of pornography addiction. The sense of some alien entity taking control. The addiction is "compartmentalized". An energy which is spent, then comes back and grows stronger (escalation). People would never suspect him of being a "pervert" (in my case I overcompensated with how I presented myself). I'm not sure if I buy the argument that this was the 80s and he wouldn't have access to as much porn as we do now and that it wouldn't be as hard. You had to seek it out more back then, but all the main porn themes were already developed and to a certain extent accessible. He really focuses on written pornography, which I assume would have always moved "ahead" of videos and pictures. When I got into the hardest stuff with my own addiction I remember finding proportionally more written material dealing with these themes and I found myself beginning to create "stories" rather than simply passively consuming images. I remember reading an account of a hard-core porn addict (was it on this forum?) who would smoke meth and go on for days writing porn.

    It is also interesting how he refers to "slasher" films at the end. These [horror movies] are typically rated R rather than X or XXX because they are not "graphic" in terms of showing as many body parts and fluids, however the ideas are much more troubling as they explicitly and fully link sex and violence. I remember going to a birthday party when I was 12 and seeing such a film (Jason franchise). "Here's a woman having sex. In the middle of it she gets cut in half. 'That was awesome, let's rewind it and watch it again". Many movies in the Horror genre are nothing but that, a series of sex scenes which seamlessly transition to gory murders. The troubling thing is that women seem to be more likely to enjoy such movies than men. I once read an analysis which said that such movies were made by Christians who wanted to "scare kids straight" by creating an association between pre-marital sex and fear, but I'm not so sure. Is the intent just to create shock and thereby get ratings or is it something else? The Jane's Addiction song mentioned earlier plays on that idea "Yawn, nothing's shocking". I used to think that shock through sex and violence was for geeks and that cool people would be completely desensitized (like how I thought that heavy metal lyrics and fake? satanism were funny). Now I have had first hand religious experiences which make me think that it is not so funny and that demonic forces may in fact act in our world.
     
  12. Mass murderers are not the same as serial killers. Mass murderers have a grievance with the world, but serial killers get off on the sexual component of stalking and murdering victims. I don't believe there is any agenda for porn and anti-depressants other than profit. It's an exposé of the failures of a Free Market society (Neoliberalism) more than anything to do with chemical mind control. Conspiracy theories and secret agencies are not needed. I'm not necessarily shitting on Neoliberalism. The rapid explosion of technology, science, and the free marketplace of ideas is the greatest achievement of Neoliberalism that cannot be replicated in any other social model in my opinion (and I would never want to live in any other time and place in history because I love science, technology and human rights), but it comes with a great cost of unsustainability, ever deepening inequality, distrust and contempt of other human beings (the untouchably powerful elites vs. the "docile" population). We are seeing a political push-back against the status quo around the world by populations that have grown tired of business as usual (for instance, Donald Trump's popularity, Brexit and the rise of the far right in EU nations, the landslide victory of Rodrigo Duterte in the Philippines.) Mass murder is the most extreme part of that push-back.

    The reason why mass shootings are on the increase in my opinion is partly because of the rise of high-speed internet and social media, and partly due to living in a fractured, post-global recession society. Information about murder and death and how to cause it is easily available everywhere if you wish to look for it, and it inspires copy cat killings. In the pre-internet days the information could be controlled and trickled out by the government at the right time. Now, there is no control. It's the same reason why ISIS is so effective at getting people to commit terrorist acts around the world: because they are so social media savvy. Islamic terrorism is a subcategory of mass murder. The mentality is the same, just with a religious/political bent. In fact, all mass murders are fundamentally a political statement. It's a political message about extreme hatred towards everyone in society. I don't think you have to be quite as mentally ill as a serial killer in order to be a mass murderer. Blaming it on "mental illness" or "evil" distracts from the root causes. You just need to have enough rage and come across the right violent ideology on the internet that appears to perfectly match and explain the personal experiences of injustice in your life (made even easier with the all too human tendency to drift into cognitive distortions and logical fallacies), which is far too easy to do in the age of infinite freely available information on the internet and a fractured society.
     
  13. Imfree

    Imfree Active Member

    Do you mean mainstream media or more independent channels? When I was young I intuitively understood that exposure to such content was not healthy or productive for the average person, even if it was true. Then I thought that I had to be "informed" and that this was part of being a "responsible adult" who is in the loop and pontificates about the state of the world at dinner parties. Now I'm off news again and feel liberated. I get irritated when I am assaulted by this garbage when I go out. Watching the news will give you a warped view of reality when in reality most places are safe and most people are friendly and trustworthy.
     
  14. UpendiT

    UpendiT Member

    I think P plays just as big of a role as anti-depressants. People become P addicts and warp their mind and then doctors subscribe xanax and anti-depressants to try to stabilize their patient. Unfortunately, this seems to create a fire and gas situation... P is the fire and anti-anxiety and/or anti-depressants are the gas.

    Elliot Rodger was decent looking and rich. He got exposed to P at a young age and never had a GF and even ended up hating girls. He was a frustrated, lonely person and a P addict. Read his last note; if you were a severe P addict, I'm sure you will find some parallels between his state of mind and yours. Even these police shootings... would these guys do this if they had a sex drive and a gf/wife? I doubt it. P is stirring shit in the world and I really don't know how far it goes.
     
  15. I mean independent channels such as social media, internet forums and especially "comment trolls". If you're just watching the news on TV or read the papers, it's thoroughly moderated and everyone will condemn such atrocities and you will go through life with your thoughts adequately suppressed. Trolls, on the other hand, will say anything hateful to get a rise out of someone, for shits and giggles. Trolls can provide links to some dark corners of the web that you would never, ever have come across in your life if it wasn't for them. Some loners who read the trolling will take it seriously and think "oh, I'm not the only one that thinks this way, there are hundreds of guys online that agree with me", then take part in the trolling and the hatred will spiral out of control. The internet is full of apparently convincing lies and hoaxes and made-up conspiracy theories, with almost zero moderation.

    This situation would be far more difficult to get into in the pre-internet era. Look at me: I'm a regular poster on this forum, and nobody in my real life knows anything about it, and nobody knew anything about the extent of my porn addiction. If all of my dirty secrets were aired out one day, people will probably be shocked and say "oh, that's so out of character for him." No it isn't. I've been doing this shit in secret for years. In real life, I'm terrible at conversation. I'm practically a mute.

    There is a common meme on the internet about "taking the red pill". Basically, all of your intuition about the world gets thrown out the window, and sometimes this is actively encouraged. ISIS also offers "the red pill". The "Truth". To some frustrated and vulnerable people - particularly young men - this is all it takes to set them off on a path of violence. And unfortunately, the way that this world and the internet is set up, it is far too easy to get pulled down into "the rabbit hole".

    It's more complicated than that. Yes, Elliot Rodger was a P addict and a loner. He was also a member of a forum called PUAHate.com. I was also a member of that website, but I stopped reading it before Elliot joined. ALL of the members there were P addicts. It used to be a forum to troll and expose PUA gurus as frauds, but eventually got taken over by members obsessed with "LMS theory". LMS stands for Looks, Money, Status. The thinking goes that if you have neither of these three things then you are an utter failure in life and should probably just kill yourself, ideally taking as many women with you as possible. At first I thought the trolling, particularly the gifs, were funny, but then I got bored of the same old misogynistic, "poor me", self-loathing, self-hatred, victim mentality that repeated itself over and over again like a broken record. They spread the message that the only goal in a man's life is to fuck >HB8s (Hot Babe 8/10 or above). If you can't do that, then you are a failure as a man. They would constantly make fun of "warpigs", which are <HB6s (girls less than 6/10 in looks). The common theme was I don't want to settle for less. All in the style of "just kidding!!"

    Ironically, Elliot did have LMS, but he was still unsuccessful with women. His distorted sense of entitlement was unbelievable, and his misogyny was fueled by this website. He could have had a nice girl, but he didn't want to settle for less. The amount of trolling and utter hatred for Western women on that forum was fucking sickening. ZERO moderation. It was impossible to tell whether someone was serious in their beliefs, or just trolling. So many jokes about killing women. There were members that literally praised a guy called George Sodini, another suicidal mass murderer that shot up a female aerobics class before turning the gun on himself, and they were calling for more George Sodinis in the future to teach the world a lesson. Common posts were like "I would do a Sodini, but I am too much of a cowardly, weak, beta-male and I fucking hate myself". It was the absolute extreme end of the Manosphere, although it grew to that point organically because of a lack of moderation. It was never intended to be that way by the creator of the website, but it got taken over by extremist members.
     
  16. ted93704

    ted93704 Keep Your Heads Up!

    Problem with the thesis of porn did it is that yes most inmates watch porn..but most non inmates watch porn too
     

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