sleep issues anyone?

Discussion in 'Ages 40+' started by toucansam, Sep 20, 2019.

  1. toucansam

    toucansam New Member

    Hi everyone,

    I'm new here.

    I'm on day 33 with no PMO. I actually feel absolutely no urges to M or look at P since I started, but I do feel frustrated with my sleep issues. It's the same pattern every night. I go to sleep fine, but wake up in about 5 to 6 hours in and am unable to go back to sleep (same issue I have been having for the last 5 years or so, but it perhaps feels a little worse during this reboot.) I don't feel depressed, but I do feel tired and groggy all day, so much so that I feel I could spontaneously doze off at any point in the afternoon. And I can’t sleep during the day because of my work schedule. I read about a lot of guys who say they have difficulty falling asleep, but I don’t think I’ve read about anyone with this pattern. Anyone experience this? Is this a dopamine issue also? Any suggestions? Other than just riding it out. For those of you whose sleep issues improved, how long did it take to see improvements?
     
  2. Gil79

    Gil79 Seize the day

    Do you also have that in the weekends wben you don't work? It is important to have cleared your had before going to sleep. Maybe PMO did that job before and othed activities could help you now (walk, meditation, etc). Better not eat or watch TV before sleep.
     
  3. Aussie2

    Aussie2 New Member

    Hey man,try asking your GP for melatonin (prescription 2mg) it doesn't leave you groggy and hungover when you wake up.

    Sleep issues of all sorts are common when rebooting.ive had nights where I'm e hausted but just can't sleep,or I'll sleep for a few hours then wake up.i work nights as well which intensifies the fatigue.

    In my opinion anxiety and sleep issues are the hardest part of rebooting,if you've had a rough day and just want to sleep,I can't.then I'm anxious and tired and then I get huge urges.

    Stay strong dude
     
  4. toucansam

    toucansam New Member

    Thanks for responding, Gil79. Yes, the same thing happens even when I don't work, which is why I'm guessing it's not because my brain is working overtime. If it were, wouldn't I have difficulty falling asleep (rarely happens), rather than getting up 5 hours into my sleep (happens regularly)?

    I came across another post of yours where you said doing breathing exercises helped you get back to sleep when you woke up in the middle of the night. Will try that and see.
     
  5. toucansam

    toucansam New Member

    It's funny you mentioned melatonin, I got some from the 24-hr pharmacy last night and it definitely seemed to help. As usual, I woke up 5 hours into my sleep (with morning wood), but then kind of went back to sleep again for 3 hours (when I woke up, no wood). I do feel quite groggy this morning, but whatever...at least it seems like it helped with my sleep.

    Interestingly, I actually have had no urges since I started NoFap. Not sure what that means. Maybe I am in a perpetual flatline? Also, I happen to have extremely strong will power, so maybe that's why? Or is it because I wasn't really that addicted to P? Who knows...

    Thanks for responding, man. I appreciate it.
     
  6. Bezoechow

    Bezoechow Member

    Ah I see you've started a journal. Good luck man!

    I had horrible sleeping issues for the first month of porn sobriety though they got better along the way. It's interesting to me that you haven't seen the same recovery. Possibly your brain hasn't started recovering yet for some reason, or there might be some other problem interfering like stress. Best you can do is follow Gil's advice and see if that helps.
     
  7. Gil79

    Gil79 Seize the day

    When I am stressed, angry or anxious I often wake up around that time. Don't know why. Sometimes also awake in the evening, but mostly tired enough to fall asleep at first. Then later I wake up in that emitional state. I think it has to do with sleep cycle or so.

    I would be careful with melatonin. I recently read a news article that many people are dependend on it to fall asleep, and you need more and more of it to be effective.
     
  8. kopp

    kopp Member

    Ah, interesting! I noticed kind of the same pattern. If I wake up around 5, morning wood. 7 or later, no wood.

    I also noticed that after a week or two without orgasms, I wake up earlier and with more energy. Like, I'll wake up fully rested at 6. If I relapse/orgasm, I'll wake at 7 with a okay-ish level of energy.

    I don't know what your "problem" is but as I have a good sleep pattern, I can tell you what works for me. First, I obviously encourage you to keep doing NoFap.

    Light is an important part of good sleep. Try to get some in the morning, even if you go out only for 5 minutes. It sets up your circadian rythm for the whole day.
    Second: avoid all lights at night before going to bed. I have a rule to cut all screens use at 9pm and it works really well. The blue light of screens makes it hard to sleep. Same with all lights: I try to use them the less possible in the evening.

    Avoid sugar and highly processed food. Stop coffee and tea after 12.

    If possible, exercise. Nothing will make you sleep as good as an intense heavy weight workout. :)
     
  9. -Luke-

    -Luke- Well-Known Member

    I read that, too. Many people supplement with way more than the body could ever produce naturally. I doubt that's good in the long run.

    I tried Melatonin twice in my life and both times I had an horrible experience. I didn't sleep one second in either night. Not one second. But I guess my brain reacts just different, because I also had bad experiences with other substances that seem to help other people and are backed up by science. Glycine, Magnesium and Taurine worsen my sleep problems, too.
     
  10. toucansam

    toucansam New Member


    Thanks for making me aware of that. I didn't know that about melatonin.
    I'm taking just 2 mg per night right now.
     
  11. toucansam

    toucansam New Member

    Wild Bill, god I can't wait for the day when I start sleeping like a baby. How many days into your reboot/rewire did it take for your sleep to improve?
     
  12. kopp

    kopp Member

    @toucansam have you tried exercising?

    @Wild Bill, trust me, the natural rock hard erections will come back! Be aware that you could go through flatline first though.

    Stay strong guys
     
  13. toucansam

    toucansam New Member

    Thanks, kppp.

    Yep, I do weights, cardio, yoga regularly. Thankfully, I am able to get to sleep just fine - no staring at the wall or rolling around with urges. The issue that I get up after 5-6 hrs, not feeling well-rested and groggy. The melatonin seems to make me feel groggier actually, so maybe I should stop taking it.

    One good thing is that my morning erections seem to be getting more regular. I got them three days in a row. Last night/this morning, I got them every time I woke up (which is a first). So things are definitely improving.
     

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