recovering from severe PIED

Discussion in 'Ages 25-29' started by Guts, May 28, 2018.

  1. Universal

    Universal Active Member Staff Member

    Haha well we have to prove these things to ourselves, desperate times call for desperate measures. As long as you keep off the M and O and you should be fine.

    The fact that you still have libido is a very good sign.

    Well friend, if it turns out you're healed then it may be time to hit the street and find yourself a girl(s) if that fits into your goals.

    My ability to get and/or retain a girl has always been pure dogshit until last year. My problem was never physical attraction, it was always mental. No idea how you are on the dating front but two books that really bought me up to speed were: 'No More Mr Nice Guy' and 'The book of Pook' (I think it's free somewhere out there).

    Good work
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  2. Doper

    Doper Active Member

    YES!!!....Now that you say that I remember being able to do that too...It's pretty incredible the difference, when I was cured I remember getting hard-ons to coworkers multiple times a day every day, just being around them or the slightest thought of sex or even just thinking about making out BAM!!! rock hard in 5 seconds flat.....these days, I don't remember the last time I had a random erection. Probably months. It's insane.

    More proof that YOU HAVE TO GO LONG PERIODS WITHOUT RELAPSING to get the major positive effects. Relapsing once every few weeks doesn't add to shit. You also add to my hypothesis that "rewiring" is only important if one isn't truly well and cured. If someone goes as long as you, they are going to be functional when they need to be, rewired or not.

    How have the cravings been throughout this whole time?....
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  3. Guts

    Guts Active Member Staff Member

    Zero. I still haven't flatlined. In fact my libido is just rising. Feeling really really good lately.

    I completely agree with you, I personally don't believe in rewiring. I can't thank you enough Doper for your posts they really helped me through this journey. I discovered you through this thread
    and ever since then I've read through all your posts. Can't believe it's been a year since that thread. Hope Superunknowns doing well. This forum is really good help if used correctly. A lot of posts have helped me through this and I'm going to gather them all up and show them off in my success story.

    Universal, I'm still scared of orgasming too much though, so I feel like I should hold off on dating for now.
  4. Universal

    Universal Active Member Staff Member

    @Doper. "Relapsing once every few weeks doesn't add to shit."

    100% agreed, infact I believe Gary touches on that in the video below and actually states it's WORSE to relapse at 1-2 week intervals because our circuits at this time frame are extra sensitive.

    @Guts. Fair call man, good to see you haven't flatlinned.
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  5. Doper

    Doper Active Member

    Guts - Thanks, I'm really happy I could be of some help to someone. I'm a bit of a broken record but I try to offer myself up as a cautionary tale, someone who cured himself proper and then gave it all up and has been trying to crawl out of that pit he knowingly dug himself. People like us are lucky to have discovered this forum or YBOP (and to have lived while this information became available) because I don't know about you, but I don't think there is ANY chance in hell I would have went 10 months+ without PMO, or no arousal, and white knuckled it through the cravings just on a hunch that it may fix my ED (I seemingly won't even do it now ffs). I did think it might be a problem back in the day, but as soon as I hit flatline I figured I need porn just to keep the little libido I had.
    Anyhow, you made it man. And you got out at a young age. I know I don't need to tell you to never think you can dabble, cuz the ED comes back way faster than it goes away. This perpetual cycle of abstinence/relapse that many are stuck in is about the best breeding ground for self- loathing I can think of.
    I think you have a great success story because the vast majority of people will only abstain long enough to get reasonably functional, but not get the super cured effects you've been noticing lately, which I also experienced. Not too many men these days can boast their sexual reward pathways are as healthy as yours, probably just a few indigenous tribesmen and the incarcerated.

    Universal - I'd like to watch the video but not seeing it in your post.
  6. Universal

    Universal Active Member Staff Member

    Starts at 1:30:00
  7. Universal

    Universal Active Member Staff Member

    How's everything going, Guts?
  8. Guts

    Guts Active Member Staff Member

    Been on top of the world. Feeling very good. PIED seems to be almost completely done, I'm still worried as to what a few orgasms will do to me so I still can't confirm that I'm completely done and over with this, but it seems like it.
    Last edited: Oct 2, 2019
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  9. Guts

    Guts Active Member Staff Member

    I'm almost at a year of rebooting. Went 6 months hard mode, 8 months of no porn and only relapsed to porn 1 day this entire reboot. This has been the cleanest i've been in the last 8 years of my life.

    Things have been so up and down recently. I do still have some days where I flatline, but they don't last long and most of the time I can still get an erection when I'm in them now, though I have to think really hard to get one.

    I never thought it would take this long to fully get rid of this.

    I want a shirt that says I survived PIED
  10. Universal

    Universal Active Member Staff Member

    I laughed at your shirt idea.

    When you're in flatline and you say you can get hard, is it fantasy alone or touch also?

    8 months.. Something most will never be able to say. Good work
  11. Guts

    Guts Active Member Staff Member

    Zero touching, I just focus on getting an erection, I'm not visualizing it in my head, so idk if i would call it fantasy either.
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  12. Guts

    Guts Active Member Staff Member

    110% erections even after an orgasm.

    I remember getting these erections when I was in my prime PMO days saying things in my head like "that porn actress got me so hard" thinking I could only get that hard for a certain scene in porn or by masturbating in a certain way. And yet here I am not even needing visual or physical stimulation to get me that hard.

    Today is my birthday and it's the first birthday in the last 8 years of my life I can actually enjoy and not be so depressed. Feels like I'm finally living for once.
  13. Pete McVries

    Pete McVries Well-Known Member

    Happy birthday!

    I'm proud of you! My birthday was in summer and I felt exactly the same. I reached a point in my sex life where I'm not worrying about erections anymore. They are just there, don't fade and are always strong enough to penetrate. I never thought, I'd reach this state in my life ever. For a PIED survivor (kudos ;)), that's the best gift that can be acquired, isn't it?

    Stay humble, stay working and have a nice day!
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  14. -Luke-

    -Luke- Well-Known Member

    Happy Birthday man! Good to hear you're enjoying it and you're doing fine.
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  15. Guts

    Guts Active Member Staff Member

    I have a question for you Pete, I believe you went 4 months hard mode? Do you think we could have fully recovered if we only just stayed away from porn? How many O's do you have now? Do they affect you at all?

    And thank you both.
  16. Pete McVries

    Pete McVries Well-Known Member

    That's correct, I went hard mode for about 4 months and had a few wet dreams approximately every 20-25 days. I even had a wet dream two weeks ago when I didn't see my partner for 10 days. Wet dreams had no effect on me whatsoever, they were just annoying.

    Personally, I think recovery is possible but definitely much harder because of the fact that the mechanical act of masturbation is/was so closely connected with PMO. I tried rebooting soft mode several times and always failed because sooner or later, I would go back to porn. Therefore, I think it's absolutely advisable to go hardmode for a few months just to let your system rest but also to experience first hand, that not masturbating won't kill you nor make you go insane. I strongly believe that going hardmode made me contact my actual partner because I had so much energy, return of natural libido, and because I didn't permit myself to masturbate, so the only way to release was with a partner. And that, of course, was the end goal, to finally be able to have healthy sex (again), right?

    At the moment, my stance for me personally is that I don't plan on masturbating ever again. I remember it to be a very underwhelming experience compared to real intimicy and because of my history with PMO it will always be a slippery slope. I want to minimze the risk of me falling back into the trap as much as possible. Should my partner and me break up some day, I will abstain until I've found a new partner again. At least, that's what I thought up.

    My frequency of orgasms differ between 2-5 per week whereas three orgasm are the norm, I'd say. They don't affect me at all. I read horror stories of guys who were reporting strong negative effects or orgasms that sent them back into the flatline but I don't experience any of that. I mostly see my partner during the weekend so this is where the sex happens. So from friday to sunday I usually have 3-4 orgasms and I do not feel any remarkable difference after that. I have to note though, that I never force sex. So if the erections won't come naturally, I don't pressure myself to perform. That has been working very well so far.

    Man, I've truly come a long way. In the beginning, I was so anxious that I wouldn't be able to achieve an erection because that has always been the case for me. There was a lot of performance anxiety but it all has worked out. Nowadays, I don't feel any fear anymore and I feel free to do whatever my partner and I like in bed. I'm so happy about it all.

    Stay strong!
    Last edited: Nov 1, 2019
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  17. Universal

    Universal Active Member Staff Member

    How's everything, Guts?
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  18. Guts

    Guts Active Member Staff Member

    Thanks for checkin in Uni. Well, the past few months have still been up and down, I still go through flatlines but i'm not sure if orgasms put me in them or not. My PIED is not at all severe anymore but I still go flat.

    Im not sure if i should just abstain for long periods or not as im not really sure if abstinence is really improving me or not. Im also getting heavy porn flashbacks. How have you been?
  19. amanwed

    amanwed Member

    Are you really been 426 Days without Porn or masturbation to orgasm? Or you just forgot to reset your counter? If it the case, it is surprising that you didn't reboot your brain yet. But know that it could take at least 2 years to reboot. Someone has reported having rebooted only after two year. Rebooting take a lot of time.
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  20. Universal

    Universal Active Member Staff Member

    Interesting. Are your flatlines reducing in duration and are the symptoms when flatlinning improving at all?

    Hmm yeah I also tend to believe the abstinence approach is the best fit answer for essentially every case but there seem to be some exceptions, at least from P and perhaps M - anything that engages the 'heat/chase' sensation.

    I feel that mind 'heat/chase' sensation if I receive HJ but not really during sex. I think the degree to which we're effected is very unfortunate.

    I'm doing okay, pretty great from a big picture perspective. Since June, 2-3x PMO and maybe 10 peeks ranging from minor to severe. A large improvement from PMO 1-2x week for years trying to quit.

    Sometimes I feel as though I may be hardwired for life to this shit, I always find myself with flashbacks/fantasy about all sorts of things. I get anxious at times if I'm even capable of having a genuine relationship. Anyway, I still have a lot of hope for us, time can only improve things provided we continue to stay away from p

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