Reason vs. AntiFap Brigade (Warning: long OP, so don't tl;dr me)

Discussion in 'Pornography Addiction' started by Hellborg, Aug 24, 2013.

  1. herecticx

    herecticx New Member

    I never said it was alpha. Read back. You were the one that brought it up since you obviously felt the need to attack me.

    "That's funny, because I'm sick of being called beta because I don't play with my dick.

    Remind me how touching yourself while hiding away in your room is alpha?"

    do you think masturbating is beta?
     
  2. herecticx

    herecticx New Member

    Yeah dude leave. Go to a bar talk to some women and put your dick inside them.
    Do it for the sake of this forum.
     
  3. WhirlwindTobias

    WhirlwindTobias Man Against Mediocrity

    You're taking my posts completely out of context. Stop engaging in straw-man based arguments. That's why I have avoided your topics, because you and others in your position are engaging in straw-man and I don't have time for that fallacy. However I came in to address heretics post about us being beta, just because we don't masturbate. That's makes about as much sense as me saying you guys are beta because you do masturbate. Which is a moronic claim for me to make, considering as individuals such as myself are on the far, far far side of the bell curve here. We've got to be talking 0.0005% here, which would make 99.9995% of the world beta's. LOL, I'm not that egotistical.

    Where have I stated that masturbation has any correlation in regards to attraction with women? Another straw-man. I've told many females about what I do (well, to be accurate don't), and as you may presume they care little.

    I fully comprehend Alpha males masturbate. I am close friends with such an example. But I'm not saying masturbating makes you beta, or that only beta males masturbate. I'm pointing out the inherent fallacy that an abstaining male = beta, an insult often spouted in my time on here and on another forum I frequent.

    It's not an insult when the comment is true. You and heretic have displayed presumptuous tendencies:

    I am a virgin
    I think masturbation is stupid because I have a partner (in regards to another thread)
    I am a beta male
    I don't "court" women
    I have something against casual relations.
    etc.

    Not once have I seen anyone ask questions, both from your side or ours. No seeking knowledge of motivations, or inquiring in regards to experience. Just a **** load of anecdotal evidence spouted off as fact, and ad-hominems all around. And you are just as bad as the side you are opposing-yet unwilling to even acknowledge it.
     
  4. WhirlwindTobias

    WhirlwindTobias Man Against Mediocrity

    I wasn't attacking you, I was defending myself.

    You directly called non-fappers betas. Ergo, I am beta. Got to defend myself and those I represent, you know.
    And that could just as easily translate to "Masturbating = Alpha", unless specified otherwise. While I am coming from a neutral position in regards to the masturbation/abstinence Alpha/Beta argument, because I don't claim any position to be either.

    And finally, a bloody question.. Thanks for asking.

    I address this in my previous post to Hellborg.

    To elaborate a little; It's not fapping which is beta, but the circumstances in which you do. For example, if you jerk off because you can't get a woman, I find that beta. You're essentially taking the easy road to sexual fulfillment.

    I couldn't get a woman for 6 years, and I jerked off 3-5 times a day on average during that period. Tell me that's not Beta. One of the reasons I quit is because doing that ****, and so often discouraged me from trying to get anywhere with the opposite sex. Why approach a girl and get rejected when I can just jerk off to Jenna Jameson and co with no drama or hurt feelings, was my attitude. You cannot even comprehend how glad I am to have rid myself of that, and I could never go back.
     
  5. Fapper3

    Fapper3 Guest

    Thanks dude! I'm here to sort my problem out. :)
     
  6. Hellborg

    Hellborg New Member

    No, I directly answered your post. And then with this post, you totally avoided what I said about not fapping having nothing to do with being alpha or attracting women.

    By the way, to you and others who were butthurt concerning the virgin thing, I called it like I saw it, and even added that I am not insulting anyone. According to the poll thread herecticx made, I was telling the truth. Truth =/= insult

    How is it that the AFB can fling insults and demonize people, but they suddenly play the victim when they hear something they dislike?

    This doesn't surprise me, concerning my theory of your weak convictions. You need everyone to agree with you to prop up your illusion of objectivity behind your "scientific" beliefs.
     
  7. lalisor

    lalisor New Member

    maybe anti fap guys are religious?

    must have a strong belief to stay away from MO forever, damn.
     
  8. Hellborg

    Hellborg New Member

    They claim to be atheists. But yes, it is strange.

    I find it odd that they choose a porn addiction forum to demonize people from MO. Porn is the problem, not masturbation. We should be helping people with the problem, not preaching to people and introducing them with strange ideologies, complete with insults and vitriol. That doesn't help anyone.

    Unlike what they have said about me, I am not arrogant or an ass. I understand I sometimes come off that way, but I truly care. Which is why I have, instead of insulting them or trying to shun them into submission (such tactics have been used by them against me, though), made this thread to present an alternate opinion. Then people who are less educated on the subject can see both and decide for themselves how to live.
     
  9. WhirlwindTobias

    WhirlwindTobias Man Against Mediocrity

    Um, no.

    [Irrelevant content omitted]

    My post:

    Remind me how touching yourself while hiding away in your room is alpha?

    Your response:

    Not playing with your dick doesn't make you more attractive to women.

    You appear intelligent, so I'm anticipating a modicum of reading comprehension from you and I see none there. Where do I say abstaining makes you more attractive?

    [quote author= You]you totally avoided what I said about not fapping having nothing to do with being alpha or attracting women. [/quote] Re-read my posts. Unless my typing style is a little too ambiguous it's pretty clear I think masturbation habits HAVE NO DIRECT CORRELATION with attractiveness to women.

    maybe anti fap guys are religious?

    must have a strong belief to stay away from MO forever, damn.



    No, although I understand why you may presume this. I've been an Atheist since I discovered the term. I just think, at least on a personal level, that masturbation is wholly unnecessary. If I were too elaborate on why, it would hijack the thread. My video in the sig is a good start, though.
     
  10. lalisor

    lalisor New Member

    we have limited willpower, right? so when im using a large amount on eating right and dragging myself to the gym etc.

    whats left for staying away from MO?
     
  11. WhirlwindTobias

    WhirlwindTobias Man Against Mediocrity

    I found this forum by following the views of my video in the sig. Turned out a popular poster here had embedded it, and he suggested I post here as I may be some assistance.

    If anything my time here has proved even further that the majority of males want to masturbate as much as they can, as long as it doesn't have any implications on whatever they deem important. Which disappoints me because I find value in depriving myself of easily accessible pleasures with little-no effort, while the rest of today's society does not. These days people want to spend their lives indulging on everything they damn well please. I thought this forum was an exception.

    However, I'm not one to shove my ideologies down the throat of others, my qualms are with those who create conflict with me and those who cannot achieve that which they set out to do.

    I have more respect for someone who wants to jerk on a schedule just because that's what they chose (as long as it's not for reasons unfounded in science), than someone who claims to want to quit forever but relapses every darn month.
     
  12. Hellborg

    Hellborg New Member

    Actually, I addressed your point in the very next sentence:

    And believe it or not, people do not have to stay within the confines of the limitations set by your original post when they reply to you. I added more to better elaborate on alpha-ness (which usually includes attracting women). Even still, I addressed your point. Please do not misquote me.

    So why the negative, and even sometimes venomous reactions to my posts? I am not relapsing, nor am I sabotaging that which I set out to do.
     
  13. TheUnderdog

    TheUnderdog Active Member Staff Member

    There's absolutely nothing strange with wanting to quit masturbation forever. It's understandable given how much masturbating to porn can fuck up someone's life. And since masturbation and porn are so tightly linked together, I see nothing wrong with wanting to quit fapping.

    The problem with you, Hellborg, is that you don't respect other people's opinions. You also lie when you say things like this forum "dogmatically proclaim unto others that masturbation is dangerous for everyone", which is just not true.

    If you're really interested in changing people's perspectives around here, then you should start threads without using big words such as "bullshit", "crap" and calling other people names. Maybe then we will start taking you seriously.

    You sound very immature, angry and frustrated.
     
  14. WhirlwindTobias

    WhirlwindTobias Man Against Mediocrity

    Which I agreed with.

    I fully comprehend Alpha males masturbate. I am close friends with such an example.

    You fit the other criteria- those who create conflict with me.
     
  15. Maybe YOU do. I do whatever I want, not what I'm limited to. You're far away from being alpha, you're just weak.

    No, I'm staying away from MO because it affected my physical health.
     
  16. WhirlwindTobias

    WhirlwindTobias Man Against Mediocrity

    Hey now, Luke. He's asking a genuine question, no need to accuse him of being weak (which in this place is a very loaded word). Don't mistake his intentions for antagonizing ones, just because there's a lot of vitriol spinning around here it doesn't mean it's coming from everyone.
     
  17. Hellborg

    Hellborg New Member

    [list type=decimal]
    [*]I have provided proof of AFB members going out of their way to demonize, and I am not the only one who has pointed this out.
    [*]I am not lying.
    [*]You say I don't respect other people's opinions, so you must have missed my post above. Please read it. That explains my position here
    [/list]

    How do you know that? Both herecticx and I have no problems with porn seeping into our MO. That is why he said there seems to be a schism based on both groups' differing life experiences.

    I think it is the people who view porn as closely linked with masturbation who forget that we are not all like that. And frankly, yes, there is a virginal component, though not always. This has been shown in the poll thread herecticx created.

    Ctrl + F "#7" --http://www.cracked.com/blog/8-stupid-arguments-that-internet-debates-always-devolve-into/
     
  18. lalisor

    lalisor New Member

    where the hell did that come from? fuck you asshole

    5 days on your belt not exactly anything to brag about, let alone criticize others.
     
  19. I've gone 34 days without masturbating, so your argument is invalid. That is something that you can't do, because your willpower is limited.
     
  20. WhirlwindTobias

    WhirlwindTobias Man Against Mediocrity

    There's just a lot of animosity going on here, pay no heed to it. Like I said, you asked a genuine question.

    However; cursing at him wasn't a very productive way to respond to it :D

    I'll answer your question with civility, lalisor. I know it may be hard for you to comprehend that there are gents out there who are willing to remove such a pleasurable and accessible activity out of their lives, but the simple fact is that for some people it's more detrimental than it's worth.

    I honestly don't blame anyone for questioning what I do; it's akin to obese people asking why anyone would stop eating the food that they love-They simply can't understand people want to give up tasty food.
    Your um, counter is invalid Luke.
     

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