Pavlov's dog is rudimentary behavioral psychology, explaining only one type of classical conditioning (which is only one part of conditioning as a subject). And yet, according to this expert, Pavlov's dog is why an addict shouldn't masturbate. It's just that simple! Bullshit. Several on this board have made the argument that the "wiring" (neural pathways) returns if an ex-addict faps, but so far there is no evidence, like there is of porn addiction and modern porn being unhealthy. In fact, according to one of the videos linked on the front page of yourbrainonporn, older men conquered porn-induced ED faster than younger guys, obviously suggesting that modern porn is worse than vintage. But think, these older men reported ED AFTER high-speed net. Were they just not jacking it prior to their addiction? Of course not. So, masturbation isn't the proven issue, it's modern porn and the nature of the Internet (meaning even jacking it to bikini pictures is dangerous, because you will eventually escalate to quickly flicking through them, escelating to partial, then full nudes, etc.). And now, Playboy isn't even an option. We simply live in a different age. Leaving porn is logical, because of what the evidence shows us. What isn't logical is the "wiring argument": orgasm from masturbation restores the neural pathways we worked to destroy in the first place. Effectively, MO becomes PMO, since neural pathways directly influence our behavior. Bullshit, again. First off, neurons are not killed off and regenerated that easily. Additionally, we do not influence these processes very directly. And neither do the processes influence our behavior very directly. Frankly, none of us can really pretend to understand neuroscience so well, because the specialists themselves do not. It is a new field in comparison to even something like computer science. Second, if we were to follow through with the logic that MO --> PMO, then 0 would --> MO. Then obviously, MO would --> PMO. Conclusion: no sex. But none of you want to say that. I hate to be rude, but I think is for a number of things: - You don't want to sound crazy. - You lack the forethought to get to the O --> MO stage, after concluding MO --> PMO. - You still want to have sex. - You are a virgin. And after being a lonely voyeur, you don't want to give up on some day losing your virginity. (Please realize this is not an "lol u hav no lyfe" argument.) I will not even address the "lust addiction" nonsense some members are peddling. The idea that porn addiction will translate into lust addiction is outrageous for a number of clearcut reasons. The most obvious being (once again, from the very same video on the front page I mentioned!!) that unlike alcohol addiction, porn addiction is a behavioral one that hits a lot of guys fast. The rate at which porn addiction affects the population is plastic and growing, in comparison to the relatively flat rate of alcohol. The no-MO crap would be understandable if it came from guys with theo-spiritual reasons; or if they believed they lacked the willpower to MO without PMO. But these are subjective reasons. Instead, we have several members of this board (whom I have titled the "AntiFap Brigade") who dogmatically proclaim unto others that masturbation is dangerous for EVERYONE, and even destructive to any progress made--both on an emotional and neuro-plastic level. The reason the AFB does this is simple: They need "scientific evidence" they are correct, so their belief can be objective. This helps to eliminate cognitive dissonance. It's just like when you see uneducated people pulling "statistics" out of their ass to suit their political causes; easing cognitive dissonance with percevied objectivity is easier than willfully sticking to your subjective convictions. The trouble is, people who use objectivity to their own ends (rather than allowing evidence and objectivity to speak for themselves) betray their insecurity by rushing to tell everyone who disagrees with them how wrong they are. It isn't enough to believe in themselves. They must convince everyone else too, because if the majority believe in something, it must be true... Bam, a major logical fallacy: argumentum ad populum, more commonly known as "appeal to majority/popularity" I don't care if 99% of this board believes MO is wrong for any number of reasons. I will continue to MO while avoiding PMO. Just watch my sig counter rise. To any younger or new-comers to porn addiction: After beating addiction, do what works for you. Don't fear masturbation, and don't fear youself. I believe any guy can beat porn addiction and leave it behind them for good.