Low Testostrone :( Bummed Out

Discussion in 'Health & Fitness' started by sm24153, Nov 28, 2015.

  1. sm24153

    sm24153 Member

    What's up guys 8) Today marks 267 days since I gave up PMO. I had my T levels checked about a month into this journey, and they were right at the normal range. I really hoped that abstaining from porn and masturbation would help bring these numbers up, but I just had them checked and they have actually dropped :mad: I'm just bummed out because I tried so hard to bring the levels up(cold showers and exercise). Any suggestions on what to do?
     
  2. RoryMac

    RoryMac Guest

    What does your doctor advise you to do?
     
  3. YellowMinion

    YellowMinion Member

    I can only suggest supplements.
    High levels of Vitamin D is a mild aromatase blocker will help reduce conversion of T to Estrogen. There are also pharmaceuticals that you can get that will do it more effectively, but messing with hormone balance is a slipper slope. Vitamin D, while only mildly effective, is a very safe way to do it. You can take up to 10,000IU per day safely. Take Vitamin C along with it (non acidic vitamin C.)

    DHEA supplements MAY help increase T. I've read about a study that say it's ineffective at raising T in men (but effective in women) but there is conflicting opinions that it does work in men. You could try taking a little creatine along with it.
    Though you should find out what your DHEA levels are from your doctor first, preferably. This will only help if you're deficient and that usually only happens at around 35-40 years of age.
    Also, note that there is one study that linked Creatine use to testicular cancer, but it's a very flawed study and highly inconclusive.

    Saw Palmetto will help reduce conversion of T to DHT.

    If you take the Saw Palmetto along with Vitamin D, you're reducing conversion of T to both estrogen and DHT at the same time.

    Your body regulate T production based on DHT and estrogen levels. High levels of either tell the body you have too much testosterone and to reduce production. By lowering both, you tell the body to raise testosterone production.

    Stinging nettle root (not leaf) can help break testosterone form the Sex hormone-binding globulin (SHBG) and make it "free testosterone." It's not bio-available when bound to the SHBG. The SHBG is sort of a testosterone storage because T doesn't last long when it's free.

    So if I was to suggest one thing. Take lots of Vitamin D (and a normal amount of C). Take saw palmetto (or another 5-alpha-reductase inhibitor) for a month and see if your T seems to improve. That's really easy to do and pretty safe.
     
  4. sm24153

    sm24153 Member

    Wow thanks brother! I'm waiting on word from the doctor, but bottom line I refuse to take pharmaceuticals! I ordered a natural testosterone supplement yesterday that I will take along with a multi and a zinc supplement. I also plan to start a CBD/Holy Basil oil to combat the increased anxiety.

    What do you think about this natural testosterone support supplement?

    http://www.luckyvitamin.com/p-337329-bio-nutrition-testosterone-wellness-for-men-60-tablets
     
  5. Tyler Durden

    Tyler Durden We just had a near-life experience, fellas

    Try this:

    http://www.dangerandplay.com/2014/06/24/added-200-points-testosterone-level-naturally/

    Or if you have low T, there is always TRT:

    http://www.dangerandplay.com/2014/09/08/triple-testosterone-level-naturally-testosterone-experiment/

    Hey, Vitor Belfort did it:

    http://i.imgur.com/47EUmNW.jpg
     
  6. Moltisanti

    Moltisanti Guest

    How many ng/dl are you at now and when your blood was previously measured? Remembering these numbers are dynamic.. Different labs, different times of the day, diet, sleep and stress factors will all influence readings.

    How much are you exercising? Too much exercise, particularly endurance can lower T.
     
  7. NEHorn123

    NEHorn123 New Member

    Agreed. How low are your levels?

    Mine are around 230 ng/dl so I'm trying to decide what do. Mid 20s and low T so there is no reason to use replacement therapy... I'm going to check with an endocrinologist before taking action for sure.
     
  8. karyehs

    karyehs Member

    Basically he means making the Alpha-Posture-exercises increases testosterone? I am having a hard time understanding his site, since there is so little information packed into a "long" text where he makes claims and claims... And it seems weird that posture exercises does stuff which normal weight-lifting can't even promise.

    Did I misunderstand the site?

    Anyone tried? Good posture is good anyway; I am just curious.
     
  9. NuLife

    NuLife New Member

    Hi,

    I went from the mid 200s around 18 months ago to mid 600s on my check up last month.

    I drank less hard alcohol.

    High intensity training 2-3 times a week, cross fit.

    I rotated known sex enhancing herbal supplements. I don't really have a set method, I take Saw Palmetto, horny goat weed, ginseng, yohimbie, ginko, schizandria and tribulus.

    A multi vitamin with all the B vitamins for stress and a ZMA product at night.

    I have a 7 day pill case that I put one day ginseng, next day saw palmetto etc, and some days I don't take anything.

    As far as how I feel, exercise-wise the crossfit has been much more effective than jogging a 5 k 3X a week as far as sex drive and energy levels.

    I defiantly get stronger MW when I take ZMA (zinc aspartate and magnesium) and I do feel the partial onset of spontaneous erections when I take tribulus. (I'm still rebooting).

    Yohimbie can work really good for erections but it can throw people into an anxiety attack. I don't like how it makes me feel very much to be honest.

    The dr had prescribed me Testim testosterone hormone replacement therapy gel which I used for a month or so. It started shrinking my balls and it raised my blood cholesterol levels so I stopped. I'm glad I did. I'm sure the dr thought I was just crazy when I said I wanted to try herbs and exercise but if I had just accepted his prognosis that some people just stop making as much testosterone in their 30s, I would probably have permanent endocrine damage by taking the Testim on an ongoing basis. It did nothing for my sex drive either.

    As an interesting side note, I bought DHEA cream and applied that for a month. That also started shrinking my balls like the Testim gel. I've read that some of that can convert to estrogen too and there's something called DIM (a compound found in broccoli that blocks estrogen) that you might want to take along with it if you go the DHEA route.

    I think DHEA pretty much is a legal steroid in it's effects so I would say be very careful when taking it and make sure you are aware of the side effects to watch out for. For some people it's a miracle but for someone that doesn't need it, it can cause problems.

    I'm not some super exercise, dietary and supplement nut. I do the things I mentioned fairly consistently and my results have been good.

    I hope that helps.
     
  10. NEHorn123

    NEHorn123 New Member

    Thanks for letting us know. Did you use the DHEA cream before the most recent blood test to check your T levels or were those levels solely due to the weight training and vitamin supplementation?
     
  11. NuLife

    NuLife New Member

    Sorry for the delayed response. I as well outside of the influence of the DHEA on my recent T test. I'd say it had been about 6 months since I had taken it and even when I did take it, I was only on it about 3 weeks before I cut it out.

    I can't say for sure why there was such a difference. I'm sure cutting way down on hard alcohol helped. I haven't even been taking the herbs all that consistently the last couple of months leading into the test so I don't think it was something like a herbal compound temporary spike in levels.


    If I had to take an educated guess based on my own habits, I'd say the lower alcohol consumption and high intensity exercise were the biggest factors.

    Stress might have been at play as well. I was in a living situation where I felt trapped and had been out of that around 8 months before the higher test level.
     
  12. breath

    breath Member

    I thought you said they were normal T levels !? Why would you mess with that. Sorry if I missed something, but from what I just read in your initial post it seems obsessive and largely unwarranted worry.
     
  13. breath

    breath Member

    Vitor Belfort took TRT to get crazy levels - higher than young men are supposed to have. No judgement of him (except he was a cheater and beating up other athletes in pro martial arts because of his advantage)

    of T
    the danger things is an ad so we must remember that it is trying to sell us something by convincing us that we need it
     
  14. breath

    breath Member

    Of course positive creative visualization is a great first step towards anything but that text is verbose and trying claim to be the holy grail - as it reads to me anyway..
     
  15. NEHorn123

    NEHorn123 New Member

    Got prescribed and started using Clomid. Taking it along with a GNC Multi-vitamin, Fish Oil, and ZMA. Also been weight lifting and swimming a lot, but keeping the exercise around 45 minutes or so. I'm hoping it will help with performance and get me more excited about having and enjoying sex.
     
  16. lylemcd

    lylemcd Member

    what are your numbers?
    when you look at testostrone number, you MUST also look at estradiol
    you want a ratio of 25-30+
    ie
    estradiol 20-30pg/ml range(too low can be bad as too high)
    and for test you want 500-900ng/dl

    so if you have 600 test and 25 estradio
    600/25=T/e ratio of 24
    so what can you do?
    -cut out junk food(sugar)
    get more sleeep
    LOSE FAT(this is the biggest one that will change your numbers a LOT
    I lose 50lbs, my e2 dropped 15 pts and my test jumped 250 points
    mostly because belly fat has a lot of aromatase enyme and converts Test to est.

    what's yourbodyfat?
    get to 10-15 % bodyfat
    THEN maybe start using HRT, otherwise you'll fuck up your e2(estradiol) and that can cause prostate cancer and other cancers...(unlike free radicals which can be quelched with antioxidants(vit C) estrogen messes up a cells DNA via depurination) so keep estrogen 20-30
     
  17. lylemcd

    lylemcd Member

    how fat are you?
    being fat will lower test levels a TON via aromatase

    mine were around that level, 248ng/dl/ when I got serious and lost a ton of fat
    -simply by 12 weeks of 3 days of weights, 15K steps a day and a fruit/veggie heavy diet(eggwhites for protien) and some fat from EFA pills/avocaado
    but I TRACKED CALORIES
    and after 12 weeks of being in a big caloric deficit, I tested my T and it was at 625ng/dl

    no kidding
    I had lost over 50lbs though and I won a contest doing this($1200 cash), which forced me to do a bodyfat test(calipers) before and after because if you lose over 5% lBM, you lost the contest)
     
  18. NEHorn123

    NEHorn123 New Member

    I think I answered you in another thread, but I am around 16% body fat. 5'8", 150 lbs. I am 27 years old and hike, swim, play basketball, and lift weights. I could certainly stand to eat healthier with less sugar, more fruits and vegetables.
     
  19. Striveforpurity

    Striveforpurity All praise and glory to our Lord Jesus Christ.

    To herbs I highly recommend for this are Tribulus Terrestris and Ashwagandha.
     
  20. lylemcd

    lylemcd Member

    lots to do
    what is the "normal" range you speak of?

    years ago I have mine checked, low 300s,,MD said, "you are fine, you are in range"

    I made some changes and 6 months later checked again
    nearly 3times the previous number(I don't know the numbers off hand, it was 4 yrs ago)
    and my MD Says
    "you are fine, you are in range"


    doesnt make sense? how can a number, 3 be doing the same job as 9?
    is making $3/hour the same as making $9/hour?
    no....the ranges are fucked up for many reasons and depending what lab you use, different ranges
    also, estradiol is key
    so what are your numbers?
     

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