Is it ok to watch porn in moderation?!

Discussion in 'Pornography Addiction' started by Radicalizedone, Apr 19, 2019.

  1. Radicalizedone

    Radicalizedone New Member

    Like once a month , short sessions.,and without fapping. I believe it's no big deal. It can become a proplem howver if you do it excessively . Like hours a day.
     
  2. Pete McVries

    Pete McVries Active Member

    rationalizing your addiction...

    Short sessions, lol. You are in a PMO addiction forum. There are no short sessions. One short session becomes a few short sessions become long sessions become edging for hours on end become being a full blown PMO addict again. Why would you want to do this? Do you know any smokers who smoke one cigarette per month? That's simply not possible. Stop fooling yourself. Stop PMOing or keep on doing it but don't bullshit yourself.

    "Quitting porn is easy, I've done it a million times!"
     
  3. Radicalizedone

    Radicalizedone New Member

    You are simply saying that it's just not possible .and I will binge watch porn for hours . I agree that everything in excessive is bad. Anyone can understand this. What I'm talking about here is an alternative option. WHAT IF I ACTUALLY MANAGED TO KEEP THE NUMBERS LOW?!..please don't tell me "you can't ". .what if I actually can. Is it a proplem then?!!
     
  4. Pete McVries

    Pete McVries Active Member

    I don't know if it is a problem. You define problematic behaviour. You found your way to this place, so I guess, you actually defined your porn habits as problematic. Do you have PIED? If so, I'd strongly suggest to stop watching porn indefinitely. If you don't have any porn induced problems, I don't know, keep watching it once a month, if it makes you happy. It's really up to you. Generally speaking, I think watching porn is bad for you but if it's your thing and if you really watch it once per month for ten minutes then proceed. You make the rules, you are your own boss.
     
  5. Radicalizedone

    Radicalizedone New Member

    Can you explain to me what is PIED and how can watching porn cause this? And why having sex doesn't cause the same proplems?
     
  6. Pete McVries

    Pete McVries Active Member

  7. Radicalizedone

    Radicalizedone New Member

    Yeah I watched that. I think YBOP is pseudoscience. They use anecdotal evidence to support their claim. I know a lot of people watching porn every day and they have healthy sexual life. However ..i do understand that overdoing it can make you desentized or bored. But as I say..that can only happen if you take it to an extreme level. Howver..if it's done in moderation...i honestly don't see any harms of it.
    By following the same logic of "YBOP " having sex everyday with different partners can cause erectile dysfunction!!
     
  8. Pete McVries

    Pete McVries Active Member

    You didn't understand anything. I'm out.

    Take care.
     
  9. WilliamOneAndDone

    WilliamOneAndDone Active Member

    Good question. If you are a porn addict during the reboot, absolutely not. But, either way, understand that while it may look like PMOing, what it really is is using artificial sexual stimulation to achieve a dopamine rush. We would not do it if we did not get that rush. Remember, you are in a porn addiction forum, so most responses you get will be in that context. But, if a guy is not addicted, not in recovery, not post recovery...maybe he is like those who can have a drink once in a while, and not be an alcoholic.
     
  10. YBR-Admin

    YBR-Admin Administrator Staff Member

    Yes. Humans aren't born to go for many years without orgasm in adulthood. Such situations are exceedingly rare and of course, would come with potential side effects. Outside of a relationship and in the absence of porn, non compulsive masturbation is generally fine.

    Edit: Did you change the topic's title? To be very clear, I think that masturbation in moderation is ok, but for a porn addict, certainly not pornography. Pornography is addictive by design, available in endless amounts, anytime, everywhere. You're playing with fire and will likely slip back into compulsive use if you as an ex-addict try to use it in "moderation".
     
    Last edited: Apr 20, 2019
  11. Radicalizedone

    Radicalizedone New Member

    I understood it. Basically when you overf
    But why in the absence of porn?!. Porn like everything else in moderation is perfectly fine .
     
  12. WilliamOneAndDone

    WilliamOneAndDone Active Member

    Porn addicts, by definition, do not use porn in moderation; they use it to excess, and compulsively. Addicts cannot use their drug "in moderation". That is the deluded addict's dream (and all of us are deluded at some point before we get clean). We could split the world into two camps: Those addicted, and those not. For those addicted, it is a VERY BAD IDEA to use that to which they are addicted to. Radical, if you are not addicted, or are, but deny it, may I ask why you signed up here? If you are addicted, and are looking for a way to keep porn in your life, but control it, it will not work.

    Peace.
     
  13. Radicalizedone

    Radicalizedone New Member

    What defines porn addiction ?!..who's to say wether I'm addicted or not?!. I don't think it's about being addicted or not. For me "addiction" is basically the default state of human brain. Everyone is an addict . Everything that feels good even in the slightest is addictive. You may think that you are not addicted to your smart phone but you are. I do believe that watching porn for hours and hours to the point of obsession and ignoring other important aspects of life is defenitly harmful ..however ..there is no evidence that watching porn 2 hours a week and masturbating once a week while at the same time being in touch with your everyday life normally can be harmful.
     
  14. Radicalizedone

    Radicalizedone New Member

    No I didn't. Porn feels good. Sex feels even better..why you didn't say the same thing about Sex?!!..ofcourse there is people who are sex addicts and they do it compulsively and exccevily to the point of ruining their life . But I think every sane person can easily understand and intuite the natural law of balance..anything n excess is bad ..even the stuff we call "healthy". So..in conclusion.. I'm very aware that watching porn compulsively and exccevily is not good or ok. Howver I don't see any proplem in watching a little bit every once in a while when I feel like it. In fact it can be helpful and help reduce stress and enhance mood.
     
  15. WilliamOneAndDone

    WilliamOneAndDone Active Member

    Well, I don't really believe in "porn addiction." We call it that, but that is...inexact. People use porn to elicit a neurological response which is interpreted as pleasurable, in the brain. It turns out that evolution understands that thinking about sex makes reproduction more likely, and nature likes us reproducing, so nature came up with a neurological response, a dopamine response, to reward sexual thoughts. Think sex=dopamine response, aka dopamine "reward." That is why we "like" porn, but it is not really porn we like, it is the dopamine reward we like. So, to translate your initial question, it would be more apt to ask, it is OK to use porn in moderation to get a dopamine high? I think for non addicts, it is not a big problem, but for an addict, it is a huge problem.

    Your question "What defines porn addiction?" is an excellent question. For me, all addictions have, at least, two components: 1) they cause a problem in our lives, but we still to it, and 2) when we try to quit, we withdraw. If a person quits porn and does not withdraw, they are not, in my opinion, addicted. Withdrawals are the addiction's way of punishing us when we quit; they are the brain's way of punishing us for not feeding the addiction. If you quit and you do not withdraw, you are not addicted. Quit for 3 days; if you feel perfectly fine and don't crave your porn induced dopamine reward, you are not an addict.

    You did say that porn feels good, sex feels even better. For a porn addict, no. And, it is not about either feeling "better", it is about which is more efficient at producing a dopamine high. For many porn addicts, porn is far more efficient, and, frankly, available, than sex. For that group of porn addicts, PIED (porn induced dopamine addiction) can become a problem. They desensitize to sex, and become hypersensitive to porn.

    But, Radical, if you are not a porn addict, these facts do not apply to you.

    Peace.
     
  16. Radicalizedone

    Radicalizedone New Member

    How can watching porn cause erectile dysfunction?! I really don't get it. Would appreciate it if you explained it to me.
     
  17. WilliamOneAndDone

    WilliamOneAndDone Active Member

    Sure. By the way, I never suffered from PIED. The brain is the sexual organ, for all of us. It all kind of happens there. Porn is a very efficient means of achieving what sex also achieves, but, I think, even more efficient than sex. What both achieve is, among other things, a dopamine rush, dopamine rush, dopamine reward. This is an evolved brain reaction that encourages reproduction--but we are a clever species, and we have learned how to jack it (no pun) to use porn to get that high. Relatively new phenomena. High Speed Internet Porn is a relatively new phenomena. Some people come to prefer porn to sex. Translation: some brains come to prefer porn to sex. When that happens, porn floats your boat, and, in extreme cases, only porn floats your boat, and sex no longer works for you. Thus, PIED. Remember, addiction is only a problem when it becomes is a problem. Addiction always becomes a problem, but before then, it is just a compulsive activity. If the addiction, whatever it is, caused no problems, there would be no reason to quit it. Many of the people in this place suffer from a side effect of porn addiction; PIED. It is one of the main reasons people use this site to quit porn--they quit porn to overcome PIED. Again, no problem, not really a reason to quit. But, for some, Radical, porn causes problems. Glad to see it has not for you. If it did not cause a problem, not really a reason to give it up. Hopes this helps. Just think of porn, not as porn, but as a means to an end, a button. Ask yourself "why do I like porn?" You like porn for the same reason everyone here likes it: It results in a neurological response we perceive as pleasure. Some of us, though, came to prefer pushing the porn button over the sex button, and that is where PIED begins to become a problem.

    Peace.
     
    Last edited: Apr 21, 2019
  18. doneatlast

    doneatlast Active Member

    YBOP isn't pseudo-science, it is new science. New science doesn't have the massive studies, funding or larger data sets to support it, and that is why stuff tends to be anecdotal.

    You seem to be asking a question and answering it yourself in the same breath. You ask if once a month is okay, and answer it by saying it is harmless. Well, if you can quit porn entirely, then stick to a once a month schedule without ever binging or relapsing before the appointed once a month time, then you have your answer. The experience of virtually every person on this board is going to speak very loudly: not a chance.

    Gary Wilson has a one sentence definition of addiction that he uses, though is not his own: "continued use despite negative consequences". So, we're not "addicted" to drinking water. We simply do it. An alcoholic will have a myriad of physical, emotional and practical problems associated with their drinking, but they continue to do so. If a person exercises a lot and feels a need to do so regularly, they are not addicted. If they over exert, injure themselves, or have other problems where they should be cutting back but don't, then they have an addiction.

    My experience with porn addiction has led me to be attentive to other habits in life. I will give things up for a time just to "reset" myself. Am I up to two scotches every night before bed, and can't sleep with it? Go a month without drinking, and my body readjusts. Same with junk food. Same with caffeine (that one can be rough). I was in too deep with porn addiction to ever return. There are cases where full blown alcoholics can go back to a glass of wine once a week, but they are exceedingly rare.

    So, are YOU addicted? Simple test: Go 30 days cold turkey no PMO. If you can't, if you have severe withdrawals, if you relapse... you're addicted. No two ways about it. If you try to argue your way out of it, you're just in denial. No cheating, no peeking, no using social media to cheat and call it "not porn" (if you're masturbating to it, it is porn). Give it a shot and see how it works out for you. What's the worst that could happen? The internet will still be brimming with porn after 30 days and it will be waiting for you with open arms afterward and you can fap away to your heart's content if you want, in full confidence that you were never addicted. But, if those 30 days bring problems for you, they should be major wake up calls that you were off base on the whole addiction thing.
     
  19. Imfree

    Imfree Active Member

    "Anectodal Evenidence", A.K.A, something that actually happened in the real world, not something that a rat did in a contrived labratory situation.
     
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