How To Tell The Difference Between PORN ED & ADRENAL FATIGUE

Discussion in 'Erectile Dysfunction / Delayed Ejaculation' started by BTruth, Jul 31, 2013.

  1. BTruth

    BTruth New Member

    It seems there is one small difference in the symptoms between the two, since both are almost identicle.

    If your penis has become smaller and feels solid on the inside (people call this Hard Flaccid) then you have adrenal fatigue.
    This is because the stress hormone (Cortisol) is tensing your muscles and not letting them relax.
    You may also have dark brown/purple spots appearing on the foreskin all of a sudden.

    If your penis is the same size and feels the same as always, then it's likely your issue is Porn ED.
    Also, it seems like people with Porn ED never get Nightime Erections or Morning Erections.
    People with AF still get these things, because their cortisol reduces while they sleep, allowing sleeping boners to occur.

    Does this help anyone? Try checking your dongs :p

    it turns out my problem is AF, so I'm trying to save confusions for those who are like me so they don't treat it incorrectly.
     
  2. Dan82

    Dan82 New Member

    so what special herbs do you take?
     
  3. puartist

    puartist New Member

    Man, I must admit that AF is interesting and i really believe there might be something.

    But you have to decide does PIED exists or not because you started opening threads without big reasons like this.

    PIED people don't have morning wood when they start reboot but they get it eventually so don't start threads with names like this if you don't have more subjects to discuss if there in no more then just one point on this problem.
     
  4. Dan82

    Dan82 New Member

    you can test yourself at home:

    Blood Pressure Test
    If your blood pressure drops when you stand up from a lying position, this almost always indicates low adrenals. This can be measured with a blood pressure gauge (a sphygmomanometer), which you can buy at a drug store. Make sure to purchase the type that doesn't require a stethoscope to take your blood pressure.

    Make sure to do this test when you are well hydrated or it could give you a false positive. Lie down quietly for about 10 minutes, then take your blood pressure (while still lying down). Then stand up and measure your blood pressure immediately upon standing. Normally blood pressure will rise 10-20mmHg from standing up. If your blood pressure drops, you likely have adrenal fatigue. The more severe the drop, the more severe the adrenal fatigue.
     
  5. BilboBagins

    BilboBagins Through adversity, there is redemption

    How do I escape my stressors?

    I live in a foreign country with a friend but we do absolutely everything together and I'm so sick of it, literally get up and go out to work together, gym, eat, shop, everything he does annoys me and stressing me out I just want to do my own thing without him I feel like I'm trapped.
     
  6. Gary Wilson

    Gary Wilson Active Member

    This sounds a lot like gibson..hmmmm. You can see the Gibson discussion here. http://www.yourbrainrebalanced.com/index.php?topic=8240.msg134229#msg134229

    We covered everything in that thread, so I will not be spending any more time on this subject.

    You can read an associated FAQ here -Isn't my ED caused by 'sexual exhaustion?' http://yourbrainonporn.com/what-about-sexual-exhaustion

    As we say on YBOP (in bold) in the START here article everyone should see a competent doctor. I like the idea of the 24 adrenal hormone panel. My two best friends are naturopaths. When I taught human pathology, I spent several hours on adrenal exhaustion. In fact, I actually had adrenal exhaustion myself. Nearly zero on 24 hr cortisol. Backed it up with other tests. Yet I had no problem with ED or libido.

    So yes indeed, check out everything you can physically and emotionally. At the same time, I encourage you to think about it logically.

    Why is PIED a problem in young guys, and relatively easily cured in older guys? This alone goes against the adrenal fatigue hypothesis.
    Why do guys who ejaculate a normal frequency develop PIED?
    Why wouldn't men who ejaculate a lot with sexual partners develop ED?

    In the above thread I posted many more questions to gibson relating to how the theory didn't match the evidence. None were addressed.

    My thoughts? Each man must take responsibility for his own situation, and make his own experiment. Believe what you want, do what you want.
     
  7. puartist

    puartist New Member

    Maybe find a new friends outside or tell him you need time alone. I think those things shoud've cross your mind
     
  8. BaldrRising

    BaldrRising Member

    I read the Gibson discussion and I wish I hadn't!! The guy needs a lesson in proper grammar. The guy says stuff that makes absolutely no sense, and he contradicts his own points. His sources are questionable websites that contain typos, and have claims with no science to back them. When Gary and others would call him out on his bullshit, he would change the subject. A user asked him a question and instead of answering it, he decided to talk about how a lack of sleep can be a cause for ED. I said too much. If you're wondering what I'm talking about, you would have to read the discussion. Please don't. I wouldn't wish reading that thread on my worst enemies!!!!!

    For those who have read that discussion (and I'm sorry that you did), have you noticed how this guy keeps saying to Gary how he agrees with him before spewing his BS? It's like he wants to get on his good side so he can preach his nonsensical theories.

    I wish I never had seen pornography. Not because it's a problem that consumed half my life, but because I would have never come to this forum and read that stupid crap!!!!

    Thank you Gary and Marnia for setting the record straight, with real evidence. It must have been a thankless job participating in that discussion!!

    Anyone reading this and think they have AF and/or SE, see a medical professional with real credentials who you think understands your problems.
     
  9. BTruth

    BTruth New Member

    I'm not Gibson and I don't think he knows much either. I'm getting my info based on what TWO doctors have told me.

    High caffeine consumption/over excercising/too much alcohol can lead to high adrenal and cortisol levels.
    Which as it happens, have the EXACT same symptoms as PIED.

    thats all I'm saying.
     
  10. Gary Wilson

    Gary Wilson Active Member

    Do the symptoms include porn addiction? You seem to be ignoring the key piece for PIED - years of heavy porn use.

    It's great that you posted, and that you found the cause or of your ED, but I implore you to not take the material on YBOP out of context. The context is -
    1- everyone should see a competent doctor
    2- the doctors have ruled out all other possibilities
    3 - the patient is left with no diagnosis, other than "psychological'
    4 - the patient has been a long time chronic porn user
    5- Often the guy has seen a slow decline in erectile health
    6 - often they experience an escalation of porn use
    7 - most claim to be addicted to porn
    8 - most experience withdrawal symptoms, including a flatline
    9- the test is to distinguish PIED from performance anxiety in men with CHRONIC ED

    When one does an assessment, one doesn't make a diagnosis on single symptom in a vacuum. "Doctor, I have a runny nose, and I ....." "Stop right there" says the doctor, "that's all I need to know, you have an allergy to cats."

    It doesn't work that way. Yet this is what you are doing with an entire website with over 1000 pages, by selecting a sentence or two out of context, from an FAQ. The test has a very specific context. Read the entire article again. It goes without saying that many guys get a better erections with porn than without. It's novel.

    So yes everyone should have adrenal tests, thyroid panel, prolactin, testosterone, estrogen, etc., but keep everything in context...please.
     
  11. Jordan_83

    Jordan_83 New Member

    I want to thank you so much for this post! I have the exact symptom as posted above and I now understand that what I have is AF! I was thinking I had some sort of PIED or sexual anxiety, but this has led me in the right direction in my recovery!
     
  12. breath

    breath Member

    still not sure what to make of my condition.
    after years of PMO i quit cold turkey. no problem quitting.
    mild ED - note it's a misnomer to me as after a few days off my erections and ejaculation are fine. We are trying to concieve a child so around ovulation days we try every day and that is when I experiance ED - so oart of me is thinking - well I shouldnt be rash in self diagnosis- I'm 49 and only human. cialis works very well at tiny dosages so... DHEA helps with vitality - a lot, but not directly with ED.. Exercise 30 mi nutes of light cardio help with energy and ED.. maca cocao HGW etc - dunno nothing too noticable. This article sparked my interest in Adrenal fatigue - should i have a hormone check up?
     
  13. Goodlooking

    Goodlooking Member

    Well, adrenal fatigue isn't even acknowledged by doctors and that usually means it isn't real.
     
  14. gameover

    gameover Age: 26

    PIED isn't acknowledged either.
     
  15. Xams2387

    Xams2387 New Member

    Most people on this site have hard flaccid and a cold dead dick during reboot an flatline... Even some who have recovered... How do you explain that?

    I wonder if too much masturbation causes Adrenal fatigue-like effects and too much porn causes some others.

    I have hard flaccid and all the symptoms of PIED and Adrenal Fatigue, yet I've had multiple blood tests and all my hormones are in order; Testosterone, Estrogen, Cortisol, everything.
    How do you explain that? Not knocking you, I seriously want more info hah.
     
  16. xstar

    xstar New Member

    Among other pages, I looked at the Wikipedia and the MayoClinic AF pages: Wikipedia Adrenal Fatigue MayoClinic Adrenal Fatigue

    OP said the symptoms are almost identical to the symptoms of PIED. But that's not what Wikipedia and Mayoclinic say. Nor any of several other pages I looked at. Perhaps OP can provide a link showing AF symptoms identical to PIED.

    Now, I didn't spend a lot of time on this, but I didn't find meaningful scientific support for AF generally. It looks like it's mainly an alternative medicine answer to "you're tired and you don't know why." And the fix: "here, buy these supplements."

    On top of this, the fact is OP's reasoning is confusing. Per adrenalfatigue.org, AF is marked by low levels of cortisol...not high levels. Cortisol: "Chronically lower levels of circulating cortisol (as in adrenal fatigue) have been associated with negative effects, such as...(ED not listed)."

    OP says: "High caffeine consumption/over excercising/too much alcohol can lead to high adrenal and cortisol levels. Which as it happens, have the EXACT same symptoms as PIED." High levels of cortisol is the opposite of what the website describes as adrenal fatigue.
     
  17. richard29

    richard29 Member

    Strange cause I get MW yet don't get hard flaccid. None the less, how do you go about checking this? Go to the Dr and ask them to test your 'cortisol' levels? I ask because I do over-drink and over-exercise
     
  18. Xams2387

    Xams2387 New Member

    Adrenal fatigue is used sometimes vaguely. I'm pretty sure it really means low cortisol. But adrenal insuffiency means high cortisol.
    I think once the insufficiency gets really bad, the theory is that the adrenals start to shut down and don't produce enough cortisol among other hormones.

    If I have one of them it would be adrenal insuffiency. Idk if its real or not but most of the people who deny it don't seem to have ever gone through it...
     
  19. Gary Wilson

    Gary Wilson Active Member

    No it means that the adrenal glands are shot and not making enough of any of the many hormones they produce. It can be life threatening.
     
  20. Xams2387

    Xams2387 New Member


    I thought that was adrenal fatigue.

    I was aware adrenal insufficiency is different
     

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