How I Beat Shame and Porn Addiction

Discussion in 'Pornography Addiction' started by Mik2, Apr 23, 2017.

  1. Mik2

    Mik2 Aka NwaltRed

    It's been a long road, something like 8-10 months since I'd signed up to this site. Some of you may have noticed the delightful lack of my grating personality around here lately and might assume I've simply given up, or become a serial (insert horribly destructive thing here). Nothing could be further from my new found reality.

    My original motivations for quitting porn were the typical white knight/mangina justifications. I used to believe it is degrading to bukkake a woman's face/tits, or degrading for a man to enjoy female dominance, degrading for a man to delight at the sight of a penis attached to a gorgeous woman. I also wanted to quit porn so I could start having sex/connecting with "real" women, which I naively thought would somehow be a less self destructive pursuit than watching porn...

    Eventually my justifications changed, I realized that no matter how hard I tried I couldn't come up with a rational reason why porn is degrading to women, so long as adult consent and a lack of serious harm is evident. There really isn't a rational reason, just our ingrained (and rather pathetic) instinct to put women on a glittering fucking pedestal while men suffer equally degrading forms of employment without a peep. So perhaps that was part of my turning point, the eureka moment where I just decided to say "fuck you" to manginas, white knights, and any narcissistic cunts with a victim complex.

    Some other factors could be the book I read written by David Ley titled "Ethical Porn for Dicks". Or perhaps it was this rather comical gem by Armoured Skeptic on YT:
    I think there are other factors as well. Better nutrition, vitamin D, and Spring arising in this frozen bit of hell probably played a role. The realization that there are far more important pursuits than sex in a world where 75% of women aren't worth my time.

    Sure I still spend an hour a month with a real woman, but I question why I bother more and more often. I watch porn every day for the most part. 10 minutes of shame free enjoyment and no desire to return to addictive tendencies of watching things that shock me rather than get me off. Or masturbating myself raw with no lube 8 times a night because lube was just to much of a hassle for my addicted mind to comprehend.
    Pro tip for the not genitally mutilated among you. The best way is to lube yourself up and throw on a condom, leaving significant space in the end (squeeze out the air) for a satisfying and mess free experience ;)

    I had bought into the bullshit that porn negatively changes your brain, creating things like permanent/ever present "brain fog". There is some down time after masturbating, and if all you do is masturbate 8 times a day your going to be in a rather dreary state. Just try once a day, baby steps, no need to run a 90 day marathon when you just recovered from leg muscle paralysis. It's all about moderation. Porn is a wonderful equalizer in a world where women can so easily and routinely fuck men over in various ways, enjoy it but do so responsibly. Shame is the biggest hurdle to responsible enjoyment of anything.

    I'm out there living life these days, making new male friends and starting up a recording studio. Continuing to upgrade my IT certifications. Planning a move where I will be around other people in a roommate situation. All things that have nothing to do with pussy. I really don't even understand why some men still think pussy is worth the price tag these days? If you hadn't noticed, the price of pussy has been lowered to $50 U.S and has been branded with the name "fleshlight". Anyone who is paying more either financially or with blows to their reputation/sanity is playing the old game. False rape claims, no birth control for men, child support payments that you have no control over, that's some pretty damn pricey poon you're indulging in gentleman.

    I've no doubt Newnes will be around any moment to don his pussy hat and fly his mangina flag loud and proud, but here's the best part, I just don't fucking care these days :) I'm having such a good time just living a life free of shame and no longer letting porn control my life, and many of you can as well. For those of you who have been hanging around here for years, or even months as I was, maybe it is time to re-examine your goals. In a cost to benefit ratio of porn vs poon, does poon really win? Is it worth the gamble? Are there perhaps other motivations that are slightly lower risk and that you can actually have some level of control over?
    Something to think about. Peace out, and I do wish the best for anyone here who has bought into the addiction recovery program, only to find yourself more obsessed with your porn habits than ever before.
    You need to let go of the bullshit/propaganda before you can get your life back, and porn can certainly be a part of a better life when you achieve balance that is missing.
     
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  2. Mik2

    Mik2 Aka NwaltRed

    I'm not entirely convinced pied is a thing. I suspect heavy porn use might play a role in ed (particularly via depletion of libido), but I'm skeptical of the degree of it. There are so many other factors that can account for the rise in ed among young men. The increased use of condoms could be dulling sensation to some degree, there are more people watching porn than ever before and subject to the shame surrounding it. I wouldn't be surprised if shame is playing a large role in performance anxiety with women. I also suspect some of this is angry old wives whom have lost the sexual interest of their partner and are looking for a convenient scapegoat.

    I did have some issues with ed as well as desensitization. I think the ed was largely related to anxiety and a lack of libido due to masturbating multiple times a day. The desensitization was due to death grip and inadequate lubrication. Both are no longer an issue, but condoms still kinda suck.
    As far as mental acuity, sure I feel a little chillaxed for 15-20 minutes after masturbating, but blaming porn for long term lack of mental acuity and concentration seems like a cop out. I can understand it, cause I was blaming porn myself, but I eventually realized that I just had to get off my ass and start getting things done.

    I like instant gratification, I also like working towards long term goals, I don't know who told you they need to be mutually exclusive. Do you fast for long periods on a regular basis? Perhaps hold in your shits for the reward of long term gratification? :D In my opinion some things are better instantly gratified.
    Thanks, it certainly is good to be feeling better, good luck to you to :)
     
  3. saneagain

    saneagain Member

    Yeah, right. It does not change your brain negatively at all. And all the withdrawal symptoms I experience for 5 months now are also non existent... http://www.yourbrainrebalanced.com/forum/threads/withdrawals-day-140.37415/

    It has nothin to do with beeing a mangina. I love bukkake and have participated in it in real life already and probably will in future. I would be really happy if ED was my only withdrawal symptom right now. I don't give a fuck about morals. You can watch and participate in any porn movie you want. What I'm saying is that the more you PMO the more impact it will have on your health. It's the same with cigarettes. If you smoke once in a week or two, the chance of getting lung cancer will not increase by a great deal if you have otherwise a healthy lifestyle. But if you are a chain smoker for 20 years, it's a whole different story. STILL smoking even just one cigarette a week is NOT healthy.

    You're (your addicted brain) just coming up with reasons to continue engaing in an unhealthy activity.

    Keep lyin' to yourself.
     
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  4. Mik2

    Mik2 Aka NwaltRed

    Perhaps "bullshit" was too strong a word, how about unproven situational experiences that don't seem to apply to everyone.
    So you have a list of non specific problems, would you like a cookie?
    I've gone weeks without porn with none of these "symptoms", I was just fucking horny.

    It's not the same with cigarettes at all, if you smoke you will get lung cancer eventually, it just depends on factors like how often you do it and how many packs. Pretty sure I've watched just as much porn as anyone else in the last 10-15 years, and I just don't have any symptoms that I can decisively blame on porn. I've dealt with any problems I've had lately that might have been attributable to porn addiction (key word, porn "addiction"), and I'm still watching every day for the most part...what does that tell you? I'm probably speaking for the majority of people here as well because the vast majority of people don't have problems with porn/don't blame porn for every problem in their lives and aren't coming here to rant like we are/were.

    I'll give you some sincere advice here. Stop blaming every "symptom" on your list on porn, just try it for a week or 2. Pretend that all of your problems might have other factors or might even be entirely psychological. Try skepticism for a week or so, you might just enjoy it/benefit from it. Either way, if you are addicted, the shame free approach that I have taken can still help you, and if you're not addicted you can get on with your life and stop wasting time shitting on the advice of guys who have overcome porn "addiction" (remember that distinction, it's very important!).

    Your probably right though, why compare porn to other behavioral addictions like eating disorders, when I can just compare it to hard drugs instead. When you overcome an eating disorder, you don't stop eating food, you learn to change your behavior. This is the problem with ybop, a lot of people are incapable of reading in between the lines and figuring shit out for themselves, so when someone tells them porn is equally damaging as hard drugs (rather than being intellectually honest and saying it has some of the same effects) sheeple are going to lap it up. Do you want to be a sheep, or do you want to get your life back?
     
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  5. saneagain

    saneagain Member

    I know one thing for sure: I experienced many of those symptoms without knowing porn was addictive and before I ever heard of YBOP. I was 21 (now 27) and for the first time abstained from porn because I tried to study for an exam. After 3 days without porn I became extremely irritable and could not concentrate. After binging I became calm again. This was the first time I noticed abstaining from PMO lowered my capability of concentrating. The same year I had a sexual encounter with a stunning girl and I could not get hard no matter what she was doing. I had no feeling in my dick. The first thought that came to my mind is that I might have overstimulated my dick/brain/myself in general. I abstained for some weeks and had succesful sex. I did not have many options for sex so I kept coming back to PMO. I thought that the withdrawals were mild and I could stop at any time. Later when I was 23 and stopped PMO just to see what will happen as an experiment. Again all the symptoms came back. Irritibility, flu like symptoms, fatigue etc. After 2 or 3 weeks of withdrawals I was fine. I still did not know about YBOP or the community in general. I came back to PMO again! At the time when I was 25 I started researching online about this.

    Conclusion: I have done 3-4 years of research on my own body before I found out about NOFAP, YBOP etc. The only thing that I had been changing was stopping PMO. The symptoms came back like clockwork after maximum of 2 or 3 days. The reason I came back was that I thought PMOing was a pleasureable activity and that I could deal with the withdrawals of 2-3 weeks.

    I don't feel any shame. I did in real life what I have seen in porn. I am mostly into bukkake. So I have done it even in real life multiple times. I feel no shame about it whatsoever! I love it! The problem is PMOing 5-8 times a day. EVERY DAY.

    Everything I experience now points to an extreme addiction and fits to what other people are experiencing:

    So it is a super strange coincidence that I have trouble sleeping and have vivid dreams almost every day after quitting and not having any dreams for fucking 7 years?! OH! And what a coincidence: I often experience headaches just above my eyes!​
    • Wet dreams for 3 months staight after quitting PMO. I was constantly waking up becuase of them and once even had 2 wet dreams in one night. Now they have almost stopped. I fapped during the 5 month period twice. And what a fucking coincidence again: The wet dreams came back for 2 weeks or so.
    Now tell me this does not look like a fucking addiction. I could go on and on.

    You are right about one thing though. If you were PMOing 8 times a day, doing it once a week is already progress. Infact this is how I have done it in the past when I tried to quit.

    Again: For me it's not about morals. If you think you can fap 8 times a day to the most extreme porn - keep going. I just wanted to rectify that I am not repeating what I have read on any website. I am telling about my experiences and conclusions I made during the last years without even knowing about all the online communities like this forum. If you think fapping 8 times a day has no effect on you, you may be right. I can't prove you wrong.
     
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  6. Mik2

    Mik2 Aka NwaltRed

    If this is what being "sane again" looks like, then I'll remain happily insane.
    So you've discovered you have a sex drive, and you become irritable when you ignore it? How are you not seeing the common sense here?
    If you have no shame about watching porn, and not watching porn makes you feel horrible, why the fuck aren't you watching/enjoying porn?

    You just have to learn how to enjoy in moderation. I was making the same mistakes you are making, even if I wasn't ashamed of the porn itself I was ashamed because I believed that I lacked self control.
    So I would fire up the day counter and try my darndest to stay away from porn, then I'd inevitably fail a few days in at the most inconvenient times, and I'd have to empty the ol ball sack with 5-6 pmo sessions. The fact that I was counting the days, and letting them build up rather than dealing with my daily sex drive is why I was binging when I relapsed. By waiting so long between sessions I'd build up the anticipation and pmoing would feel amazing, you have to stop doing that.

    I get the draw here, and I can see where it comes from. I have a friend who claims to only watch porn once per week, though he is also good with women (or lucky not to have been fucked over so far), so he's out there "smashing poon" as seems to be the naive goal of many on here. The guy's confident, good with women, gets things done, everything I thought I wanted to be 8 months ago. So I came to the wrong conclusion that all of this must be due to his lack of porn use... Well that's bullshit, porn was never holding me back from anything, and once you've had your fill of sex, it's not that amazing. I'm just a different/more introverted person than my friend, and I had to learn to accept that, I enjoy introversion.

    Here's what you can do, I'll draw you a text map to success. Find a ball emptying schedule that matches your libido, it's very important that you shoot for 1 orgasm per night, yes you heard me right NIGHT! If you blow your load at night then it will help you relax to go to sleep rather than draining your energy during the day. So find a schedule that works for you, maybe that's 1 orgasm every night, or maybe every other night, etc, etc. Then take a day or 2 off before having sex with a woman. Problem solved (unless your ed isn't porn related), you are now in control of your body rather than your body controlling you, and sex will be more enjoyable than porn because you are building anticipation for sex rather than porn.

    Some of us men have incredibly powerful sex drives, it's rooted in our biology as men. Sperm is cheap and plentiful and we can spread them around/rain them down on the pussy with no personal loss to ourselves (biologically anyways, they can always fuck you over with child support payments). Eggs are not cheap and plentiful, women have a limited supply and they are effectively disabled for 9 months, therefore the drive for women to mate with as many partners as possible is nearly non existent (there are exceptions of course). Stop pretending that you are not a man with sexual needs that you need to satisfy, there is NOTHING wrong with that.

    To sum up here and save us some time, I've walked the path you are walking, I'm aware of all the theories over at ybop. I'm aware that porn addiction is a real thing, I just think that the vast majority of us aren't really porn addicted, we just feel like we are. You aren't really telling me anything I don't already know, I'm just a skeptical person. Whatever works for you bro, but you honestly don't sound like you are very happy at the moment, maybe it's time to try something different?
     
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  7. saneagain

    saneagain Member

    You honestly think experiencing joint pain, having a flu-like feeling, and tingling sensations over all my body is healthy when abstaining from PMO? I don't think that this is something you should experience after abstaining from SEX.

    My libido has disappeared. I have no interest in sex right now. No horniness. Nothing. It can't be a flatline / post acute withdrawal syndrome. NO! Because it's a fucking myth! HUEHUEHUEHUE.

    Of course I am not happy. How happy would you be if you wake up because of a wet dreams every night and had trouble sleeping for 5 months? From past experiences I know that I am alright with having sex 2-3 tmes / week. It's just that I escalated to extreme fapping during the last 2 years and became physically addicted. All the joint pain I felt in the past when quitting is right here. I feel it right now as I am writing this. The only thing is that this time it is a lot stronger and the duration is much longer. Last time it went away after 3 weeks of abstaining. Now I have it for 5 months.
     
  8. Mik2

    Mik2 Aka NwaltRed

    Honestly I think you are full of shit, and should seek medical help for your health issues that aren't likely related to porn. When the doctors don't find anything you can move onto a psychologist to learn the power of the mind regarding your outlook on your personal well being.

    Flatline is not a myth. The body's natural response to a lack of sexual stimuli over extended periods is to effectively "turn off" your sex drive. I'm not saying it can't be done, but it's a real pain in the ass, and it can come raging back at any inopportune time if you see a hot babe in a bikini at a public place. Been there, done that, no fucking thank you :p I enjoy watching porn though, if I ignore my sex drive I feel like something is missing from life.
     
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  9. saneagain

    saneagain Member

    What are you doing on this forum? Go and masturbate to some pixels.

    Tell me please, what do I have to gain by lying to people on this forum about the experiences I have made? All the symptoms - physical and mental - appear after I abstain from extreme masturbation with porn.

    You seem to have run out arguments, heh? If this is the case, then you can go fuck yourself. LITERALLY.
     
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  10. Mik2

    Mik2 Aka NwaltRed

    Lol, I've never implied you are lying that you have these "symptoms" whether "real" or psychological, I am implying that you are using porn as a convenient scapegoat.
    It's only 3am where I live bro, I don't fap during the day, I've other more important things to do.
    I'm not trying to argue, I'm trying to offer you some helpful advice. I've no reason to argue with you, I've tried your way and I know it doesn't work for me. If you don't like it then you can piss off, don't let the cookie hit you in the ass on the way out...

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  11. saneagain

    saneagain Member

    Yeah. Like surfing on a forum where people talk themselves into having an addiction. Sooo many important things to do! Ahaha. I can't even. :D
     
  12. Mik2

    Mik2 Aka NwaltRed

    Trying to help others escape addictive tendencies in regards to porn is a worthwhile use of my time.
     
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    Good for you, to each their road :)
     
  14. saneagain

    saneagain Member

    So what's your explanation for me having dreams again after stopping PMO after a period of 7 years not having any dreams at all? Or for having wet dreams for consecutive 3 months every second night? You think this is the normal state if you stop having sex for an adult? Having 3 wet dreams a week? Luckily they have decreased in frequency, because they were waking me up each time.

    I am really interested in hearing a plausible explanation to why this is happening to me. Prove me wrong. Tell me why my post concerning dreaming and dopaminergic pathways has nothing to do with porn. I am curious and so are the scientists who conducted this research.
     
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  15. saneagain

    saneagain Member

    Please clarify: having wet dreams for 3 months 3 times a week is a coincidence? I tried it multiple times (3 times in the past). Every time I stop PMO I have wet dreams for a period of time. They stop after a while. This this period of time has been very long (3 months). Are you really that stupid or do you pretend to be?

    Joint pain started like clockwork also 3 times in the past when I had stopped masturbating to porn. Lasted usually 2-3 weeks. Then disappeared. I observed too many coincidences on my own body without even knowing about all these forums.

    EDIT:
    I don't have urges to watch porn After 150 days. I am interested in real sex though. I don't feel good right now but it's improving. When I feel like, I will start having sex. WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME THAT I DONT WANT TO WATCH PORN?

     
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  16. saneagain

    saneagain Member

    I don't have urges to watch porn After 150 days. I am interested in real sex though. I don't feel good right now but it's improving. When I feel like, I will start having sex. WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME THAT I DONT WANT TO WATCH PORN? IS THIS UNHEALTY?! PLEASE TELL ME.
     
  17. saneagain

    saneagain Member

    Did you read my posts above?

    1. Never believed in god. Atheist since the beginning.

    2. I am / was into bukkake and other dirty shit. I watched lots of it. I have participated in such events IN REAL LIFE at least 20 times. I love it. I will even do it again. That is for sure. Never had any moral problems with that. Never had any moral problems with watching porn.

    Oh and there is good news. This week I started feeling my dick again. Prior to this I would have no feeling down there at all. I am sure this is also hypochondria. Riiiiight.

    Don't you see the possibility that you might be just not prone to this addiction? I also have been addicted to gambling. Maybe my brain is more susceptible to different forms of addiction?
     
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  18. saneagain

    saneagain Member

    I tried cocaine several times. Each time when I had a little more, I had the anxiety and heart palpitations like I have them now, when coming down from it. The anxiety stayed for 2-3 hours or so. Same with marijuana. If I smoked too much I had anxiety when coming down. This is why I stayed away from drugs. If I had moral issues with drugs, I would have never tried them in the first place. Same with porn.

    Given my experiences with cocaine, marijuana and gambling, maybe it's really just that my body does not cope with all this very well - including extreme stimulation with porn and masturbation. You can count yourself lucky for not having to deal with this shit. I'm not here to prove you something, just report my experience.
     
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  19. Mik2

    Mik2 Aka NwaltRed

    I would never claim that unhealthy use of porn doesn't exist, but I do recommend skepticism. Maybe some people do experience joint pain when abstaining from sexual activity (including porn), ignoring the need for sexual release doesn't seem very healthy. Addiction is the inability to stop doing something that your body doesn't consider a need for physical and emotional wellbeing. Sure you can stop watching porn if you want to, but I certainly don't see the sense in "hard mode", you aren't addicted if you can't stop doing something your body considers a need (sexual release) without negative consequences. There is some evidence that we can disable our sex drive by removing physical and visual stimuli over a prolonged period of time, think of a monastery. Just because it can be done doesn't mean it needs to be done, just because it might be a healthy way to live doesn't mean it's the only healthy way to live.

    You might think you are addicted if you can't stop watching porn and just masturbate instead, but I would think that in a lot of cases you subconsciously realize that porn isn't negatively affecting your life, regardless of the concious justifications you make to stop. As they say "you have to really want to stop". If you are really addicted to porn to the point where it is drastically negatively affecting your life, odds are you will want to stop and will succeed.
    The problem with comparing the nofap movement to what goes down on a monastery is that most of the people in the movement are not seeking enlightenment, they are more focused on their day counters and the "positive effects" of not fapping alone, rather than focusing that energy into something. Monks don't shun sexuality because doing so brings some sort of enlightenment, they do this in order to focus all of their energy into achieving an enlightened state of mind, not fapping is just 1 very minor piece of the enlightenment puzzle.

    I'm not doubting any of your "symptoms". I am simply pointing out that you can't blame them solely on porn use with any kind of accuracy. I don't believe Gary Wilson is entirely full of shit, but I do believe that he is adept at taking factual information and spinning it to suit his narrative. Whether this is for financial gain or political gain, I've yet to determine.
    For example, he once used the argument that by directly pushing the dopamine button in the brains of rats, it is proof that humans will forego food in favor of sex. We'll a skeptical mind can see the flaws here fairly easily. Masturbating to porn is not the same thing as attaching an electrode directly to the pleasure center of a lab rat, there is a physical and logical difference. He is also quite fond of stating that porn addiction targets the same portion of the brain as drug addictions. He may not say it explicitly, but he is obviously implying that porn can be just as dangerous as hard drugs. For some people this might be true, but we know enough about the harsh effects of drug addiction withdrawals to know that this isn't an apples to apples comparison for the majority of people.

    Gary also likes to reference statistics like the increase in ed among young men, trying to paint it as though porn deserves all the blame. Gabe Deem is guilty of misrepresenting this information as well, suggesting that "If you can get hard to porn, but not to a real woman, then it's Pied". It's not difficult to point out potential flaws with this argument. 1) More people are watching porn than ever before, and porn has only been getting more radicalized/extreme/diverse. Sure we may be more accepting of masturbation and sex as a society, but we sure as hell aren't accepting of some of the radical genres of porn, rape fantasy, bdsm involving permanent bodily harm, animated depictions of video game characters some of which are certainly not 18, animated depictions of fantasy animals, all of this readily served up on Pornhub. With more people watching than ever before and no indication that society is accepting of extreme content there is likely to be more shame than ever before. Shame might not be an issue when you are masturbating by yourself, but when there is another human being in the room potentially judging you it is a different story isn't it? 2) Condoms are more widely used than ever before, and condoms dull sensitivity, especially if you don't know the basics of using them (not too tight, add lube, roll back the foreskin). Condoms are in wider use because people are more educated than ever before about stds. We also know that condoms are only 80% effective due to human error, do you not think this knowledge might contribute to performance anxiety? 3) We are generally becoming more concerned and open to various health issues among young people, perhaps ed was very much under reported in the past.

    You admit that you are not ashamed of the porn genres you watch and yet you call them "dirty". Isn't it possible that you see no moral/ethical issue with these genres but you are still susceptible to the shaming projected onto you by other people? I certainly was never able to find evidence that porn is ethically wrong, but I was still susceptible to the irrational shame placed upon me by others. If you knew you could enact real change in the world by doing so, would you reveal the porn use you enjoy to friends, family? If you had a reason to throw off your shame would you do it, would you describe every genre you enjoy? If not, can you really say you are not ashamed?
    On the topic of dreams, you may be on to something. I to have fewer dreams these days and my fantasies/mental imagery seems to be less vivid than it was in the past. I found in my time away from porn that I could get more out of mental sexual fantasy than I can when watching porn. This is no great loss to me, but I guess you have to make that decision for yourself? Still I can't definitively tie this to porn, and everyone has a different experience. Perhaps I am just imagining that I am dreaming less.

    The problem with the argument that porn is bad and porn use = addiction, is that the proven arguments are all very subjective, and the counter arguments are just as powerful. For example the fact that marriages and birth rates are down and can possibly be linked to porn, this is a subjective argument. As an atheist, I don't really care if marriage is going out of fashion. As someone who doesn't want kids and is against the corrupt government welfare state, I don't really care if the older generation can no longer use the younger generation as a walking fucking atm, let the birth rates fall. However the counter argument that rape has plummeted in tandem with the rise in availability of online pornography is a pretty good one isn't it? Sounds like a better world to me.

    If you feel like you have lost control, and you are watching objectively wrong pornography (the kind that can drastically effect your wellbeing and freedom, the kind where people are actually getting hurt), then yes, get help. If you are at risk of losing a career due to a lack of control, watching porn in the workplace, shirking responsibilities, then yes, get help. If however you are just trying to buy into the nofap program and all it does is depress you on a daily basis, if your porn use does no harm beyond unproven physiological/psychological effects, then yes I am going to be skeptical, because I am concerned that you might be forcing yourself into an unhealthy situation that might be just as harmful as an actual porn addiction. I am trying to give you an opportunity to question what negativity porn was actually bringing to your life, vs the negativity that you are immersing yourself in as a result of beating yourself up for your inability to "recover".
     
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  20. saneagain

    saneagain Member

    I have almost no feeling in my dick in addition to many symptoms I already experienced multiple times in the past when abstaining from pmo. When i touch my dick with a stick i dont feel it. What does this have to do with condoms? This time it lasts longer and the symptoms are stronger. I dont give a fuck about Gary wilson. This is my own observation. Last time it took about 4 weeks for the sensitivity to come back and joint pain to disappear. You really cant put 1+1 together?

    I dont discuss my sex life with my family. Why should I? It's not their business. You suggest talking about bukkake with my dad? Really? Of course it's dirty. How would you call it? Come on.

    If you ask me - everyone can practice and watch any sex he or she likes. I talk about sex with people who participate in it with me. I dont judge people and i dont want to be judged. I keep doing things i like and keep my mouth shut. I enjoyed the porn i watched. It just seems i watch way too much and Start experience strange things when i stop. So i quit. As simple as that. Did i mention i started feeling my dick again? For the first time in 5 months. This is what scares me.

    Nothing wrong with masturbating once a week. I suspect it might slow the process of regaining sensitivity but it sure is Mord helpful than pmoing 8 times a day. Progress will be there.
     
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