I'm not familiar with HHH but I've seen many of TFM's videos so I'm aware of the hostility towards "tradcucks". I don't think their worldview should be dismissed entirely but I agree that they're in denial if they believe marriage still exists as it was originally intended. As TFM says in his video, "no responsibility without authority". Although TFM's lifestyle doesn't seem very compelling. He says "just get a doll", as if sexdolls are an effective replacement. Maybe in 10+ years... Maybe a realistic robot + artificial womb will be an effective replacement. But then there is also the idea that we need to go our own way and stop feeding the system so that civilization will collapse and then we can bring back patriarchy... but which is it? Who will develop our robots once civilization has collapsed? I don't think you can have both. Technological advancement vs societal collapse. Robo-traditionalism vs real patriarchal traditionalism. It isn't clear what a mgtow is supposed to want, other than rejecting the bad deal we've been given.