Flatline theory

Discussion in 'Erectile Dysfunction / Delayed Ejaculation' started by marco, Oct 12, 2012.

  1. gameover

    gameover Age: 26

    Re: My theory

    I have noticed im still as horny as i was but i no longer want to race home and fap i want to have sex. No real flatline yet for me. still early days though
     
  2. LTE

    LTE Master Of My Domain

    Re: My theory


    I think that there's several different phenomena that can be interpreted as libido (horny). As I type, I'm a aware of a mild sensation from my genitals wishing for attention (that I don't intend to provide). I think that this is healthy libido at work. It's not intrusive. I don't mind it a bit. It helps me to remember that I'm alive.

    I still take note of ladies around me, although I'm not "checking them out" the same way as I did before the reboot. It's more of a general impression. I think that this, as well, is a healthy manifestation of libido.

    Now, onto some phenomena that I am no longer experiencing. There was a time when I had a tendency to really scrutinize a woman, really "take inventory", so to speak. Rebooting has really helped to put this behind me.

    I am no longer feeling driven by my desires. I have a sense of being in the driver's seat now. This is actually pretty important to me.

    Now, the last two phenomena are things I see as a unhealthy results of porn and unrestrained sexual fantasy. They came into my life in a big way when PMO was calling the shots. The first two phenomena didn't really emerge until I had some success in fighting PMO. In this regard, I feel that porn masked my healthy libido by upstaging it. Being hooked into the porn/excitement/seeking behaviors I was always dealing with these feelings and the more normal manifestations of healthy desire took a back seat.

    It would be like trying to listen to Mozart on an iPod while operating a jackhammer. Both devices produce sound and, perhaps, are rhythmic, but the similarity stops there. Mozart is fine, delicate and refined; the jackhammer is just brute power. Mozart requests subtle attention from our higher faculties; the jackhammer demands attention and doesn't appeal to higher reasoning. Most importantly, even if you stopped using the jackhammer it would take time before your ears recovered enough even to hear the Mozart and it could take even longer to recalibrate your senses enough to be able to appreciate all of the subtleties of such fine music.

    The problem is . . . if you were to listen to jackhammers up close before ever hearing music you might not even realize that music existed. Your ears would be so trashed that you'd never be able to appreciate it. Likewise, a person that uses porn before their normal libido develops is likely to develop extreme manifestations of libido before they can learn to appreciate their normal desires. Take away these porn-fueled feelings and normal libido might not even seem above the threshold of perception. Chances are, a lot of normal emotions would seem miniscule when compared to the jackhammer of porn cravings. If the "master volume control" of our senses and feelings were turned down in response to super-stimuli a lot of normal functions would be hard to perceive. I could be mistaken, but I believe that this condition would be depression in its purest form; a CNS that is operating in a reduced state and unable to sense normally.
     
  3. Dre93

    Dre93 New Member

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    But surely natural libido is what led many of us to excessively PMO? I can sure vouch for this, In my early teens my libido was so high I was jerkin it constantly because of it. Porn only took its hold on me and caused my sexual dysfunction when I was 16-17. I'm only 19 and the damage its done in that short space of time is obvious. It fucked me up badly.
     
  4. LTE

    LTE Master Of My Domain

    Re: My theory

    I'm not so sure that I would agree 100%. Remember, there are cultures where masturbation is unheard of. Porn is obviously very risky and at the heart of the matter is the source of over-stimulation, but how about the effects of "sub-porn"? What I mean is the sexually provocative material found in advertising and non-porn entertainment. I suspect that these things can supercharge the libido and turn masturbation into a much more frequent activity than it would be minus those stimuli.

    The way I see it is that porn and masturbation feed upon one another and porn, for the purposes of discussion, is anything that eroticizes you (with the obvious exception of sexual activity with a real partner). So a young fellow just trying out his equipment might get bored and move on to other things sans the stimulus of erotic, even mildly erotic, materials. I saw hard-core porn once but MO'd to swimsuit photos, etc, in non-porn magazines. It was several years before I saw anything hard-core again but when I did I took to it readily. The point is, the P and the MO fed upon one another. It may have started with normal libido but it had quickly escalated to something that went beyond normal libido.
     
  5. Dre93

    Dre93 New Member

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    There is some truth in what you say, and there definitely is a chain effect once porn becomes a regular thing. Also what you said is why rewiring is so important, its the last thing before being able to say your free and healed. Its the calibration between your brain and your cock lol - In terms of reward.
     
  6. needsomhelp

    needsomhelp New Member

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    I'm 18 and for what I remember I haven't had a boner for 3 years, can't remember before that.

    Also, I have low amounts of armhair (average leghair I guess). A comment on a different, random forum said low amounts of body hair may be because of low testosteron. Is this true? Am I suffering a hormonal problem?
     
  7. LTE

    LTE Master Of My Domain

    Re: My theory

    Fapping, in and of itself could affect your testosterone levels.
     
  8. Re: My theory

    No. I can't contribute any more than that.
     
  9. marco

    marco Guest

    Re: My theory

    THIS!

    I started when I was 8 years old, while other kids played outside, I would be masturbating, first to pics from the playboy and similar magazines, than to more hard core material like porn, and then to fucked up form of internet porn. I always thought I had amazing libido but it was just urge to PMO, nothing else.

    For people like me and the rest of us who have been living in flatline for years, don't expect healing in 90 days. Heck, just be happy if ANYTHING of progress happens in those 90 days. When you start, set yourself a goal of one year without PMO, that's the minimum it's gonna take. And there's no better time to start than now, at the beginning of the year.
     
  10. diesel

    diesel New Member

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    Seems like a real sense of guys helping each other here so I thought I might bounce an idea off everyone. I quit porn December 5th and have since been flat lining (no spontaneous erections or morning wood). My idea is if exercising your penis might help with the flat lining. For example kegel exercises (to find your kegel muscle stop your pee mid stream, that's the one). I found a site (www.pegym.com) that has a bunch of different penis exercises on it. In fact the most of the forum community swears the exercises have given them a harder, wider, longer penis. As long as your don't O then what could be the harm? Some people may find it difficult to abstain from O if they play with it but for those that can, this may just be a great way to keep your hardness and size while getting a real sex drive back....and possibly making it harder and bigger!
    Either way, I am going to attempt it. As I said at the start of the post, I quit porn December 5th and have had no morning wood, spontaneous erections and I have difficulty keeping it up during sex. I'll let this community know how the exercises work!
     
  11. sak1234

    sak1234 Member

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    No one really has a problem with kegels at all. I think the biggest concern is the focus you put on your junk. Whether it is kegels or jelqing, you will be focusing on your penis or PC muscles and the more you think about that region during the reboot, the higher the chance that you will relapse.

    A lot of guys here have gone 50, 75, 100 days and have thought they were out of the danger zone only to see themselves PMO or MO. Don't let that same thing happen to you. You are still very early on in your reboot, but it can get frustrating very quickly if you relapse early and often. Just watch out and be aware if you do go for it.
     
  12. LTE

    LTE Master Of My Domain

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    Trying to hurry the process is not going to help the process. Even 10 days without PMO will probably help things a lot more than any exercise. Your genitalia function fine, the problem is in the brain. Take care of the brain and your penis will be fine.
     
  13. marco

    marco Guest

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    And remember, if you relapse after a certain number of days, don't give in and binge for several days, just get back on the horse right away and continue the reboot. Yes, you will lose some progress if you relapse but not all of it and if you binge you're back to day 0. So avoid binges and relapses, avoid anything that makes gives you trigger to PMO and good luck.
     
  14. rocky50

    rocky50 New Member

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    ACtually d matter is dis i m badly addicted to web cam sex nd porn ..all the tym me thinkin about nude girls noww..me getin irritated,lack f concentraion,,help me out plzzz
     
  15. ambush

    ambush New Member

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    How is your progress going.

    I think my situation is similar to your in some ways. I didn't really expose myself to porn at a very young age, but i did masturbate quite regularly to what every material i could find (magazine photos, some written material, and even crude drawing i made myself).
    I thought that i have a very strong libido, but i was disappointing the first time i had sex (couldn't get a strong enough erection, finished too soon, and felt weirdly out of place). I realized that the thing that kept me from enjoying it was that there was another person there. My sexual energy was best expended at things that i could do alone. I had conditioned my brain to be such. I think my solitary nature had something to do with it. I was conditioning myself to enjoy sex alone.

    I have been on on a flatline for 60+ day and there is not sign of it letting up.
     
  16. marco

    marco Guest

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    I can relate to everything you said. Also, it's quite normal to still be in a flatline after 60 days in our case, as I said it might even take a year for people like us to heal. Once you have gone a few months porn free, start rewiering to get your libido a kick start and to teach the brain to be aroused by women, not something else. Just keep up with it, it will get better.
     
  17. ambush

    ambush New Member

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    Thanks for the encouragement. I am a long way away from healing. But i hope atleast there is some respite from the low motivation and dullness of the flatline; i can live with the low libido.
     
  18. CBRENN

    CBRENN New Member

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    Dude, Marco this makes so much sense. In fact now that I think about it, the first time I thought I might have even had a problem with too much PMO (this was years ago, and before I lost my virginity) was when my body began to flatline. I begun to have low libido, spontaneous erections disappeared, my penis was no longer fully erect even during PMO (especially during huge binges), hell sometimes it got to points where I didn't even enjoy the masturbation it was simply something I had to do. Addiction kept me going. Perhaps interfering with a flatline, one's bodily response for recovery after overuse, is where the damage really begins...

    It's like a signal declaring damage has began to occur, and we've been ignoring it.

    Something that may have only took a few days for recovery has been constantly ignored and the damage that begun only continued.

    Interesting to think about, although it's upsetting to think it's probably going to take longer than 2-3 months for us... I reached a month a few days ago, and I have been in flatline since day 1. I think around 3 months I'm going to attempt sex with a few girls to see where I'm at, but at this point it looks like a long road to recovery... :(
     
  19. Ducking_fick

    Ducking_fick New Member

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    Wow,

    this notion of perma-flatline could very well describe my experience. I don't have morning wood anymore, I don't have wet dreams, and what I have taken for libido has often been too intense.

    What I mean by intensity is that typically when I get turned on there is a delicate imminence. If you put this in the context of Porn and Masturbation for the past years (especially the adolescent years) it makes sense that libido, or some semblance of it, is something I'm used to being in total control of (just me and the screen) and something I'm used to immediately serving. Reading all of these comments is encouraging.

    That said I wonder about things that may complicate my situation. While I think I've had this problems since I've been 17, I also have had an active sex life since then. With my first partner I couldn't keep it up long enough to put a condom on. PE surely played a role, but I even failed to maintain an erection for more than a couple minutes after we decided to go bareback out of frustration. I would pull out and she would have to do something so we would have intercourse again. After a couple experiences like this, we could have stable and consistent sex when I didn't wear a condom.

    I haven't been able to have sex really since that relationship because I won't not wear a condom. The couple of times my current partner and I had sex (when it was actually really good too) was right after a 3 week reboot. After a while I got comfortable with not strictly following this regimen, i started MO and PMO after that. Throughout all of this though, I've always had heavy sexual contact, even if theres no MO. Is this type of contact something I should avoid if I want my current reboot to really sink in? Is it possible that even sexual contact could be merely putting a band aid on this deeper libido wound?

    Thanks all, best of luck.
     
  20. sturdy

    sturdy New Member

    Re: My theory

    Feels like ive been in a flat line for over a year
     

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