Flatline theory

Discussion in 'Erectile Dysfunction / Delayed Ejaculation' started by marco, Oct 12, 2012.

  1. adratep

    adratep Guest

    Re: My theory

    Guys, I have suspected something similar for a while now.

    I think that I was never really horny in my life (or just can't remeber that I was) because I started MO'ing once a day on average since 6th grade (12 YO, probably). I NEVER get the urges to fap. I just learned that I'm able to 'rub one out' and that it's pleasurable. Of course, this was all possible for the past few years (ever since I left puberty) because of unlimited P available on the internet.

    Could it be that I was flatlining all this time (for years ...) and that P kept me going, never giving my brain a chance to restore a much needed delicate neurochemical balance?

    To put it in other words, is P just a tool which enables us to overstimulate our brains with too frequent orgasms?
    Maybe some people manage to do it with fantasizing alone? (I'm sure that all of your parents have a few friends that never got married; I'm also quite sure that most of these people masturbate quite often)

    I am aware that a lot of people have sex all the time and don't develop ED but on the other hand, I know a few people my age that watch TREMENDOUS amounts of P every day and have normal sex lives (I could tell a few stories that'd give us all a good laugh but that's not the point here :)). Maybe this depends on the individual and his/her sensitivity of the brain.
     
  2. freefrompmo

    freefrompmo New Member

    Re: My theory

    Yeah, I know I haven't watched porn bc I was horny in a long time, it's just something that I 'do'....sucks. Yes, I would guess continually ejaculating when your body wasn't really naturally craving it would cause problems
     
  3. marco

    marco Guest

    Re: My theory

    Looks like this theory can be applied to 90% of us here which makes it a totally legit one. We started doing PMO very young, kept doing it like crazy until we exhausted our minds and bodies. When you became exhausted, your brain and body enters sleep mode (that we call flatline) in order to recover itself so it can react to stimulation again. If we had let it rest back then it would probably be a flatline of a few days and then things would return the way they were before. But we didn't let it rest, we continued to PMO for years despite being in a flatline and we continued to drain our bodies even further until we reached the bottom. So now it won't take a few days for things to recover, now it will take a few months or even a year in some cases. But it will pass as long as we don't drain it further.

    So don't give up, leave your PMO days behind, and always think of a reboot of a half a year (or more) instead of 90 days. 90 days won't erase all the damage you have done over the years. It's gonna be a looong rebbot.
     
  4. StopThePorno

    StopThePorno S₮O₱ ₱OṘ₦

    Re: My theory

    I agree. To fully recover some of us might need a year or more even. No denying that guys get huge benefits early though.

    But maybe even better when fully recovered.
     
  5. EFDE

    EFDE New Member

    Re: My theory

    I think so too!! the damage of a few years cant be undone in 3 months !! im around 100 days and i still see a lot of benefits but i am not there where i have been before PMO!!
    But do you guys think real sex or orgasm through blowjobs are allowed or is it better to go without orgasm for 1 or 2 years?
     
  6. StopThePorno

    StopThePorno S₮O₱ ₱OṘ₦

    Re: My theory

    I'm not sure bro about the orgasm. I read somewhere on YBOP or here that its even better if you abstain from orgasm. Or was it just masturbation? I don't remember clearly.

    But personally I would love to have real sex and orgasm, but I wouldn't want to masturbate at all.

    But yeah I've been addicted to porn probably since 11 or 12 and before that I was masturbating all day so I really doubt I would be able to FULLY recover in 90, 120, or even a year. We have to deal with throwing porn out of our lives forever and being completely fine with it if we want to reach a year, easier said than done.

    I'm alright with that if its like that, it is what it is. We'll have to go through it. Better soon then later.
     
  7. sak1234

    sak1234 Member

    Re: My theory

    I totally agree. I have been at this off and on for 10 months with some dating in between and I am now really feeling the progress. In fact, this is the first time I have rebooted where I didn't jump into a flatline after the first week or 2. I had consistent morning wood since day 11 (last 4 days so not a huge sample size). All the other reboots were always slow and I felt no progress. Also, I started meditating more for this reboot. The bottom line is, After 10 months, I think my dick is finally saying, "Dude I feel refreshed and ready to go!"
     
  8. EFDE

    EFDE New Member

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    So did you orgasm in this 10 months with real girls or did u avoid it?
     
  9. sak1234

    sak1234 Member

    Re: My theory

    Both, I had a few "successful" sex attempts where I was hard enough to penetrate, but felt nothing, and only came because I was fantasizing as I was sleeping with a girl. More recently, I relapsed from a bj and PMO'd a day later. I have had 3 or 4 PMO relapses in this time as well as probably 25 MOs if I were to guess. So I have not avoided women. I just can't help it sometimes. Lately, I have been less aggressive and won't move past kissing for the first few days.
     
  10. e7

    e7 New Member

    Re: My theory

    Marco, thanks for coming up with this brilliant theory. I thought about this for a while and I think you're 100% correct. I thought I was the only one that was a bit different from most users here. Maybe a lot of people don't even realize they were in flatline all along. A lot of people start with that sentence: 'flatline since day 1'. The flatline probably was already there even before day 1; it would be a a strange coincidence otherwise. I decide to quit porn and all of a sudden I'm in a flatline. As if your decision to quit porn caused the flatline.

    I can relate to the symptoms of flatline and now see I've been in flatline all along. I might (probably) not even know the real libido I'm looking for. Way back when my libido was present I got huge dopamine rushes and sex was on my mind 24/7. If this was the case now, I would definitely not spend that wonderful energy on porn.

    This theory makes a lot of sense and it's a huge relief for me as I can now be sure (99.9%) my problems come from porn and nothing else.
     
  11. Earthworm_jim

    Earthworm_jim New Member

    Re: My theory

    You know it seems as though its different for everyone. Some guys flatline a long time, some don't, some never get one. It's difficult to gauge anything cause this addiction is so new. Has this forum even existed a year yet? Hopefully in a couple years we'll start to see some trends and be able to give better advice to those who just started rebooting. Unfortunately we're the pioneers in this.
     
  12. forevergone

    forevergone New Member

    Re: My theory

    marco your a life saver. i thought i was fucked. i feel like ive been put in this one big flatline. its going to take a hellof a lot more rebooting than 90 days. ive been pmoing since 12.. badly addicted. life is changing tomorrow..
     
  13. iceb

    iceb New Member

    Re: My theory

    Ye I am in agreement with this theory...

    I started masturbating when when I was around 8 or 9 and PMO when I was 11 and not in a healthy way (in my younger days sometimes more than 5 times a day)...

    I am currently on day 50 of this process no M P or PMO and now I've come to realize that I have had minimal libido all of my life. Analyzing some of my behavior I can see that I engaged in sexual behaviors (with and without partners) for gratification and validation and not out of pure lust and desire. It was always to make me feel good about myself in some way. To be honest I don't think I really know what it feels like to have a libido. No wonder I feel like an alien and disconnected from everyone... I'm not even experiencing my true nature as a male.

    It's gonna be a long journey home.
     
  14. grzeg12

    grzeg12 New Member

    Re: My theory

    Yea I agree...
    I remember that when I hadn;t porn I masturbate very frequently, and I hadn't libido even before porn maybe. Next what I remember- when I get internet I try to not masturbate - i was very religious- I have erections all days to screen of computer...
    And then I discover porno ....it killed me...seriously..
    Whhat I remember when I start PMO I always had flatline. for 5 long years.
     
  15. LTE

    LTE Master Of My Domain

    Re: My theory

    I will only add one thing; don't let this turn into a rationale for "testing". Your wiener works, it's just taking a rest. :) Seriously, physical impotence is pretty rare. If you got hit with buckshot or had an unimaginably bad bicycle accident, well then maybe, but for the most part, any halfway-healthy man is up to the physical task of maintaining an erection. Even years of PMO will not "break" it. Once you have rebooted, it will work fine.
     
  16. Dre93

    Dre93 New Member

    Re: My theory

    The rules need to changed, this whole 90 day ideology is complete bullshit, of course some people will reboot in that time but some wont. It gives people false hope in my opinion and when their not cured in that time they get depressed and maybe even relapse. I'm about 5 and a half months in no relapse and I am making progress now. I would say 9 months and I should be rebooted I think but then again if I'm not I'll keep going.

    I think age is the main factor when it comes to reboot, young guys who have PMO'd throughout their teens (ME) have to commit a lot longer then other guys.
     
  17. LTE

    LTE Master Of My Domain

    Re: My theory

    I just reread this thread and think that there may be a lot to this. For years I tended to want to MO in the mornings before getting out of bed. Since I started the reboot this tendency has stopped dead in its tracks. I don't feel anything of the sort now.

    Until I reread this thread I could never understand what was at work here but now it makes sense. Think of it in terms of someone that is hooked on "uppers". They end up needing a boost just to start the day. If the dopamine receptors are at a low ebb the normal "seeking" behavior will be inhibited. Just thinking of some normal morning-time seeking behaviors here; seeking breakfast, seeking a look out the window to see what sort of day it is, seeking to escape a pet that is pestering you for their breakfast, seeking to brush your teeth and get a fresh taste in your mouth not to mention the obvious, seeking to empty the bladder. Of course, if you are flatlined the pre-urintaion erection of the morning can come in handy if you want auto-erotic activity.

    So, perhaps, the flatline is there all along, masked by PMO self-medication. It could be masked until sometime after the reboot starts, because the first days and/or weeks of reboot can be tumultuous; so much is happening all at once. Once the tumult has settled a bit, then it becomes apparent that you were in a funk.

    This also makes a lot of sense regarding my own, recent, experiences. I had been mostly PMO free for some time but still had occasional binges, especially when I was facing an emotionally challenging situation. I had lapsed into a binge and was concerned about the ramifications when I viewed the YBOP videos. When I started the reboot I had been in a PMO phase for only a short time and probably not feeling the full effects. When I stopped cold turkey I experienced a bit of anxiety at first but no real flatline. I'm not complaining. :)
     
  18. needsomhelp

    needsomhelp New Member

    Re: My theory

    I thought about this aswell. I think it's completely true, for us who started young: we've never experienced libido.
     
  19. LTE

    LTE Master Of My Domain

    Re: My theory

    In a sense, that is what happened to me over 40 years ago. I was exposed to hard-core porn just as I was reaching puberty. My libido became inflamed by porn before it could ever reach it's normal level. Ever since it was a matter of all or nothing, no space in between the extremes.
     
  20. Dre93

    Dre93 New Member

    Re: My theory

    I'm not sure about this, I've viewed porn since I was 13(I'm 19 now) and I the porn has only damaged me in terms of ED and sexual function since I was 17, Obvs the whole time it was affecting my brain by I remember back then I used to sit in class and just think about getting a boner and I would. I was horny all the time thats why I started PMOing so much.
     

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