Don't Count Days, Just Stay Off Porn & Masturbation

Discussion in 'Ages 40+' started by 40New30, Nov 26, 2013.

  1. Saville

    Saville Well-Known Member

    Yep, non-linear. I can go for months now and have no PE and then boom, three times in a row I find it hard to pull the trigger. Then, the next few times I'm golden, slamming the wife like I'm 20. I can usually feel that I'm off emotionally, too. I want sex, but I'm not really feeling it in some ways.
     
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  2. RebornAgain

    RebornAgain Beating my addiction one day at a time.. Staff Member


    It’s funny you say that. Right after that post I made, naturally I had sex 3 nights in a row with increased erection strength each night.

    And increased libido with 3 consecutive O’s and I’m fine.

    Non-linear at its finest!!! So weird.
     
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  3. 40New30

    40New30 Keep going

    Personally I think it takes a long, long time for the brain to balance out from PMO addiction, especially if we wired it up to P or our minds for years. I know I did. Crazy that it takes that long, but true.

    I've had PE the last three or four times after like two solid years of mostly DE. It's the type of PE where you know you're going to blow your stack within around 5 to 10 seconds...not fun. Ha.
     
  4. 40New30

    40New30 Keep going

    Man, it is weird...but we're all experiencing the same type of thing. I think it just takes time to have our brain's completely settle in...and yes, way longer than 90 days. Maybe we are outliers? Whatever the case, the progress has always been on an upward trend. Always.
     
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  5. Guy_Stewart

    Guy_Stewart Well-Known Member

    From my thread:

    ""All I see is progress, man. Lots of progress. Proud of you.""

    "Thanks 40New30 -- daaaaaaang...you know the exact "pleasure" button to push (if I were a rat with an electrode in my brain going to the pleasure center, I'd be shivering at this moment) -- it's called the "Proud of you" button. That was one that NEVER got pushed growing up. Hence, I suppose, the reason the food and PMO buttons rose to prominence."
     
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  6. RebornAgain

    RebornAgain Beating my addiction one day at a time.. Staff Member


    For sure brother! I know I’m definitely an outlier because I had ZERO sexual experience and ZERO experience with women before starting porn.

    Plus I wired myself to porn during my adolescence teen years when my brain was developing the most.

    It sucks but it’s part of the deal! I have to play the hand I was dealt and deal with my decisions
     
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  7. 40New30

    40New30 Keep going

    Just calling it like I see it, and I am. :)
     
  8. 40New30

    40New30 Keep going

    And I'm an outlier because of the amount of years I was addicted + ultra long edging sessions. Agreed, no regrets...always moving forward.
     
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  9. 40New30

    40New30 Keep going

    Orgasmed last night and had some very clear insomnia! Non-linearness.
    Feel fine today though.

    I'm clean, thank you brothers
     
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  10. Libertad

    Libertad Well-Known Member

    Glad to hear that you are going strong, brother. We can make it!
     
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  11. Mad Dog

    Mad Dog Well-Known Member

    Yup, you are meteoric happily moving along. I want and hope to do the same. Iam at almost 1 year but like you once said, the reboot is lasting with me right now at almost 1 year maybe more, no matter whatever it is it is but I know some day it will end. Happy thoughts to you bro.
     
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  12. dig deep

    dig deep must stop wasting my life on porn

    Does it ever end,I think it's a battle for life but does get easier,because life and us are always changing or growing and evolving and with many other drugs out there we always have to be on our guard.But being free of our drug we can evole as well.
     
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  13. Saville

    Saville Well-Known Member

    The last O I had frigged me up. As we get better, as we experience some of the fullness of our potential, we also are more susceptible to the vagaries of life. Nothing to do but move forward and expect good things.
     
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  14. Mad Dog

    Mad Dog Well-Known Member

    Yup move foward....thats it
     
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  15. 40New30

    40New30 Keep going

    All is well..working too much!
     
  16. JohnQ

    JohnQ Active Member



    40,
    I have been following your advice since this exchange between us from last November with great results (more on that below) but I want to follow up with you regarding your recommendation to take 5 HTP, tyrosine, and cysteine. I was wondering what dosage of each you were taking and how long you stayed on those supplements? I haven’t been able to find any references with dosage recommendation. Also have you looked into Dr. Bredesen’s protocol?

    Last November I got a physical and had elevated liver enzymes and decided I needed to do something about it. Your reply made me look into diet, gut health, inflammation, metabolic health, etc. The research told me that all those things are tied together. Mid December I started a keto diet (<40g of carbs/day) and switched healthy fats (no omega-6’s) and to organic foods and grass feed beef, butter an cheese. The results have been amazing. I lost 30lbs, am down to my high school weight and have put on muscle. I went through the candida die off thing and my gut heath has dramatically improved and my inflammation is gone. I had no idea how bad off I was with those things. I’m sleeping better and I didn’t get my typical sinus infections this past winter or allergies in the spring. Not having the constant ups and downs associated with eating carbs is great and the diet is very satisfying so there is very little hunger and my body knows when to stop eating. Being fat adapted and running on ketones is great. Not only getting rid of the foods that caused poor gut biome has helped but having elevated levels of beta hydroxybutyrate serves as an anti-inflammatory. My liver enzymes returned to normal, my blood pressure has lowered and my lipids are amazing (my triglycerides dropped and my HDL went up). I feel really healthy and am in good spirits. My concentration has improved and I don’t get brain fade anymore in the afternoon.

    I was hopeing this approach would help with my reboot and I think it did but I still spend a lot of time in flatline. Maybe a few times week I do feel some little libido and that’s up from a few times a month but it is very fragile and will quickly disappear. When I do feel something it is actually a surprise. My sensitivity comes and goes so I’m not there yet with that. That said I want to try some of the brain supplements.

    Thanks so much for all your help!
     
  17. 40New30

    40New30 Keep going

    That's awesome! Treating systemic inflammation and rebuilding the gut are vital to recovery from addiction.
    For me, it has been probably the most important step.

    But, I still have a ways to go after months and months of trial and error.

    I have been at this for a long time; but, I still have Candida overgrowth and liver flukes that I see in my stool maybe once or twice a week. Yep. It's a long process, now, mind you that I amnot spending thousands of doctors -- I'm self treating. This is probably a longer route, but it also saves thousands in testing/doctors. Each man has to make their own call in that regard.

    To be honest, I went away from relying on amino acids to boost neurotransmitters, though it does work. I don't really recommend that route at this point.

    Now, I'm much more aware of continuing to rebuild the gut (it can take several years after serious gluten/dairy issues), making sure I am getting rid of Candida/parasites, and addressing nutrient deficiencies (my zinc is through the floor, vitamin D too).

    If we all do that, and it takes a while, then there is no real reason to take these individual amino acids to boost serotonin and dopamine because our body produces them on it's own.

    If you have brain fog, I highly recommend trying Rhodiola 2 - 3 times a day. Catuaba is a mild dopamine enhancer that works too. All the adaptogens in high doses will bring the body/brain into balance.

    My health changed radically when I started looking into methylation issues, low thyroid, and of course their relationship with a messed up gut biome. I recommend GAPs style diet, probiotics, getting your genetics looked at, as well as looking into pyroluria.

    My overall health problems is one of the things that drove my addiction deeper oblivion, I feel like they worked hand in hand. I would not be surprised if this was also the case with many here as well.

    Does this help at all?
     
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  18. Freedom from Servitude

    Freedom from Servitude Active Member

    Candida sounds like a horrible condition to have, but its symptoms overlap with countless other conditions. How do you know that you have it? How does your stool look? That's not me doubting that you have it, I'm just curious.
     
  19. Boxer17

    Boxer17 Active Member

    I agree. I read that up to 60% of one's immune system and inflammatory response is linked to the gut
     
  20. JohnQ

    JohnQ Active Member

    40,

    I agree 100% about the health problems causing deeper addiction. Thank you for the help. I can’t tell you how much better I feel after following your advice. I have been self treating too. To be honest I’m kind of enjoying the research and been calling it my experiment of n=1. In July I talked to GP about this and he had no interest. I gave him a couple peer review papers as I was leaving. I think we are 10 years away from this being adopted my the GP medical community. The functional medics people are ahead of them. I have already added vitamin D and zinc and am trying to get more sun. I have been looking into what tests I should get. I will also look into Rhodiola and Catuaba. I have already added vitamin D and zinc and am trying to get more sun.

    I’m doing the keto diet so it seems to fall into a GAP style diet. There are many versions of low carb diets. I’m not eating any grains and for the most part the only carbs I’m eating are cruciferous vegetables. I also read “Healthy Gut Healthy You” and made some additional diet adjustments. Probiotics were part of that. I did find some medical papers that point out that running on ketones and actually help your neurons. Basically insulin resistance and inflammation can starve your brain/neurons of nutrition if you are running on a carbohydrate metabolism. Yet even if you are insulin resistant your brain can operate on ketones. In fact there is strong evidence to say that ketones are the preferred fuel of the brain. Ketognic diets have been used to treat epilepsy and now are now being used to treat Alzheimer’s so I agree with what you are saying. Now if I could only get my libido back and pecker to work more reliably. upload_2018-8-9_22-10-55.png :(

    Freedom,

    A lot of the time I noticed mucus in my stool. Like you said symptoms overlap with countless other conditions and that’s because they are all related. For me it was a bunch of symptoms that I was having that started me researching what the root cause could be. Ten years ago I got thyroid nodules which is likely an autoimmune disorder. Four years ago I started feeling more fatigued and wasn’t sleeping well. I just thought it was working too many hours and job related stress. The year before last I had a gout attack and my blood results showed a high uric acid level. Then, last fall after a routine physical I found I had elevated liver enzymes and was diagnosed with nonalcoholic fatty liver disease. During all this my weight and blood pressure were slowly creeping up and my blood lip profile was slowly getting worse. No matter how hard I trained or how hard I tried to diet I couldn’t loose weight. For the most part all of those symptoms are related to metabolic syndrome. It didn’t make sense to me because I always eat well (Standard American Diet, high carb, low fat), exercised, stayed away from sugar and only drank a couple of drinks a week.

    I wondered if leaky gut caused by an inflamed endothelial lining of the intestines could cause that problem and I did find several references on that. I started to look into causes of leaky gut and I found several references that pointed to poor gut biome (candida/bad bacteria) caused by a high carb diet. The carb cause overgrowth of candida and bad bacteria. What 40 told me made me dig deeper. All the carbs also elevate your blood sugar and your body produces insulin to deal with the sugar. Because of all the insulin your cells become more insulin resistant. The insulin resistance causes your body to go into a positive feedback mode and keeps having to produce more and more insulin to try to get all the sugar out of your blood system. What happens is you can’t burn any of the stored fat and the weight just keeps going up.

    The elevated sugar levels and insulin cause inflammation in the various endothelial linings in your body. In your intestines it causes gut leakage which poisons your blood and leads to possible autoimmune disorders. The inflamed endothelial linings in your blood vessel cause high blood pressure and in your heart it allows LDL to pass through and build plaque. Diabetes and metabolic syndrome are at an epidemic proportions.

    I went on a ketogenic diet mid December (30g carbs, 125g protein and balance of calories from fat). My weight dropped rapidly and my lipids and blood pressure improved and my liver enzymes and uric acid levels are now normal. My training buddies say I now look like Tom Dumoulin on the bike. The inflammation is gone and even after hard training rides I don’t have any inflammation. Also I feel much more alert now that I’m running on ketones.

    Basically, the human metabolism is not meant to run on sugar/carbs. We are not ruments like cows and we don’t have a cecum of any real size like a gorilla. Thus the gut problems. Evolution made us into persistent hunters and we only ate fruits and vegetables when we had to and when they were in season. Ever wonder why there is no fruit or vegetables painted on prehistoric cave walls? ;)

    Go to YouTube the Low Carb Down Under channel. Look for Drs Phinney, Volek and Noakes.
     
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