Does masturbating without Porn lead to bad mental symptoms, brain fog, anxiety and bad socially?

Discussion in 'Pornography Addiction' started by auzzie_mikey, Jan 20, 2019.

  1. auzzie_mikey

    auzzie_mikey Active Member

    Hi guys

    What is your personal experience with masturbating without porn? I have always masturbated with porn and it led to bad mental symptoms, anxiety, brain fog and dehabilitation and low motivation.

    Does masturbating without porn lead to bad mental symptoms and withdrawals?

    Please share your experience.
     
  2. -Luke-

    -Luke- Active Member

    I had that experience in the past and I read about it in some other journals. When I masturbated without porn in the past, it felt like a little relapse 2-3 days afterwards. But the consequences were definitely less severe than with porn use. I don’t think it is “normal” to feel that way for a non-addict. And I don’t think that masturbation (in moderation) is bad for us. But it can definitely be a problem for recovering porn addicts

    My theory – and I’m not an expert in neuroscience at all – is that this happens because of the whole concept of “Neurons that fire together wire together”. We linked porn and masturbation/orgasm in our brain for such a long time that the old porn pathways in our brain become reactivated. Even if we just masturbate without porn.

    I think this should gradually go away with time, as long as you do not watch porn. And everybody is different here.
     
  3. Caoimhín

    Caoimhín Winter's coming...

    In the past, I basically felt that any form of masturbation was too similar to masturbation with porn. That was pretty successful for me to eliminate the two. But then there is the issue of not having any kind of sexual life at all. I'm going to give it a try and see if occasional masturbation without porn is something that will work for me.
     
  4. spoofy

    spoofy Active Member

    Nah I experience no issues when masturbating without porn, quite the contrary I think it has positive overall effect for me.
    However it doesn't provide the dopamine rush to feed the addiction crave, and quite an eye opener not so simple to pull off without porn.
     
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  5. Big Lebowski

    Big Lebowski Member

    I have to agree with this. Earlier in the acute withdrawal phase it seemed as if MO set me back but later in the reboot MO definitely did not take me back to any bad phases in withdrawal. But the thing is it really did nothing for me either way because I was still in a flatline. I can’t be bothered to masturbate now and enjoy a wet dream lol as I’m doing really well in recovery
     
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  6. Johhny Bravo

    Johhny Bravo Every temptation is another chance of life revival

    The porn is the absolute killer and culprit. If you can say "I havent looked at any deliberate porn for 3 months" then with/without M that is such a milestone.

    Most guys dont even give the journey a try by just eliminating porn.

    I forgot to mention with my journey, a few monthe prior to deciding to quit porn and M, I forgot I had deliberatly quit all social media and reduced my browsing and scroll time on the internet.

    By the time it came to quitting porn, most of the hard work was done.

    Try going 4 weeks with zero social media and limit your forum browsing. Allow yourself M but also quit the porn for just 2 weeks.

    You might find after this experiment, that many neural networks automatically adjust. In the big picture thinking, youve paved the means to quitting PMO alltogether.

    If you didnt have the internet, youll find being able to save your sexual energy much easier. The que for porn is gone and therefore the desire for M will also reduce.

    If you make it your goal to quit P in one year, start by

    1. Go 4 weeks zero social media and scrolling. Your desire to watch porn will still be there but will be reduced. Allow yourself all the P and M as you wish. Just zero social media.

    2. After this go 4 weeks zero porn but allow no limit on masturbation. Your desire for porn will eventually satiate and you wont find it a "necessity." Again you cant cheat; allow yourself to M as much as you wish. If you PMO 4 times a day, you are allowed to M 6 times a day with no P.

    3. If you can go 2 months without watching any porn or stimulation, youll one day feel "strong" to stop M. You have made about 80% of the journey so far even though it doesnt look like it.

    4. At this state it is appropriate to try a total nofap experiment. You wont find it too difficult. Try one week, and soon youll find your desire for M is weaker. Youll still feel your sexuality pure, but the desire for M will be gone.

    5. Now appreciate and try and argue with me that youll probably find your relationship with women and yourself changing even by step 1-2. Youll respect yourself, youll feel more like yourself and youll feel signficant to meet a woman you desire regardless of the intent of the relationship.

    In a nutshell, **Avoid social media and porn for one month and youll be changing in ways you cant imagine.**
     
  7. Perigee

    Perigee Member

    Porn and other supranormal stimuli are the enemies, not masturbation. In fact, I think many people try to cut out MO but still peak at porn sometimes, and this completely misses the point and doesn't really do anything to help them.

    Personally, I don't believe that it's best to completely cut out all forms of sexual stimulation. That just causes a flatline.

    I think it's ideal to replace porn with sex if possible, if not sex then occasional masturbation is fine and probably necessary, especially if it doesn't involve any visual imagery.

    I can say from personal experience that after 3+ months of cutting out porn, masturbation, and sex, I always end up in an horrifying flatline. Once I start having regular sex again (and avoiding porn) my ED/libido starts to recover rapidly.

    It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to try to eliminate an addiction to porn with brute force of will and not replace it with something else (with sex being an obvious solution), hence why the failure rate is something like 99%.
     
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  8. Johhny Bravo

    Johhny Bravo Every temptation is another chance of life revival

    I agree.

    If brute force were as efficient, we would all never be on this forum or felt difficilty in quitting PMO.

    And I agree: The reason people should be quitting porn (yes I am moralising), is to rekindle their natural desires to meet, seduce, kindle and connect real women. Yes real women in the real world, yes real sex.

    Ive met many sex addicts: every single one of them watches porn if they also have sex with real women.

    Abandon the porn forever. But you must abandon it with the intent that that is your sacrifice to connect with a real woman.

    Many men find real women scarier and deadly terrifyingly overwhelming. A fear is there to run away. Makes sense because culture has conditioned us all to have 2 unusually huge fears. The fear of death and the fear of sex.

    Porn is the escape. The shelter.

    Who do you think invented the widespread use of porn? You think pornographers are the ones to blame??

    The priest encourages pornography use. Why? Because he encourages a suppression of all sexual desires.

    The workplace also encourages porn. Why? Many of these sexual harrassment claims send us messages that the desire to seduce a woman is tabboo and makes us criminal.

    This is sick. Sex is wonderful. Quit porn. Quit masturbarion eventually as well. But embrace the real woman.
     

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