Defeating porn in the world

Discussion in 'Women' started by Fra888333, Apr 22, 2015.

  1. Fra888333

    Fra888333 New Member

    You will excuse me, perhaps. But hey, THIS is the place where a movement of consciousness could begin to change the world. Yes, excuse my idealism if you can.

    Porn is a problem. I read and hear people say it's not evil, but I think there's now enough material to begin to say that it is indeed, evil. Yes, sex is a natural beautiful thing, but not when it is deprived of intimacy, shown on video with the sole purpose of making money, addicting people, arousing excitement for the sake of it, mostly through obscene images. Porn is watched by children now, as a teacher I know it. Children get phones with internet or computers when they are 10 years old or younger, who will keep them away from porn? Do we really think "they will get to know it sooner or later, so why worrying too much"? Children and adolescents have their lives heavily influenced, sometimes disrupted by porn; shall we just accept it? Porn becomes an addiction. Porn is a problem.

    I think women could help men in this, help them understand, help them come to realize that change is needed. We could protest together.
    Yes, I'm suggesting a protest.
    Sites such as this one, together with the studies of universities that demonstrate the bad effects of porn, could do something.

    No, I don't think porn will be stopped or banned, I'm not so naive. And I'm not so fundamentalist to suggest the total abolition of porn. But hey, can we at least fight, struggle as hard as we can to write big on the front page of porn sites that they cause all sorts of disfunctions, they are unhealthy, they are not just unsuitable, but really deleterious for children and adolescents, just as we write such warnings on cigarette packs? Can't we struggle to urge governments to put extremely harder restrictions on porn in the internet and the other medias? Can't we struggle to raise consciousness on the fact that porn IS a problem, and it shouldn't be ignored? I think we can, but we need women, because most men (myself included) are weakened by their own ambiguity towards porn, a drug they like and think they can deal with.

    Many things could be done, I think we all know it, even though I may have sound exaggerated.
    After all, just to make an example, everyone who deals with online banking, that is virtually every adult with a bank account, knows that you need to have a special agreement with a bank, you need to get a controlled account, to get a pin number, a code, connected with your name. The bank is controlled by the state, and the bank knows and must know that you are an adult, and therefore can give you an account: can't we suggest similar systems for porn use, to save minors? Other instance: alcohol is sold only to adults and infringments of this law is justly punished; can't we suggest governments similar restrictions for porn-dealers (that's how porn companies sound in my mind).

    What I wrote are just some ideas, to restrict porn, not necessarily to eliminate it, just as we do with widely accepted drugs. But it has to have much, MUCH stronger limits. Because it is indeed causing destruction, the destruction of people from the inside, even deeper than the destruction caused by physical substances. Porn strikes the personality, the individuality, the soul if you want, of people.
    I think it's time to act together, to do something.

    And you?
     
  2. Zippy

    Zippy Member

    You hit the nail on the head in your first sentence. The solution is a movement of consciousness. Legislation won't help without mass awareness of the effects of porn, ie. what is contained in this website and similar.

    Tricky though, is any of us likely to post on Facebook a synopsis of the problem? And even if we did, are the still indulging masses ready to hear it?

    And who actually profits from porn use, and how? I never paid a penny for any of the stuff I viewed. Lots of companies selling "solutions" to the problems caused by porn though, ED drugs.
     
  3. Wabi-sabi

    Wabi-sabi Imperfect, impermanent, and incomplete

    Personally, I'd like to see a separate internet for porn - the internet and an internet.x.

    But I'm not sure if that would solve anything. It's still a click of the mouse away.

    Here's a suggestion for the OP, as a teacher - isn't there a way to instructing people in school to be more in control of their emotions? (I see porn use as just a way of numbing your unhappiness for a while, albeit one that makes things worse.)

    Can you teach meditation? Can you teach about addictions other than drugs? Can someone write a course on self-esteem?

    It seems to me that girls are taught how to avoid predators, but boys aren't shown how not to be sexual creeps in the first place.
     
  4. VincentDS

    VincentDS Guest

    I agree with that.

    If you want to fight against porn behaviors go to www.fightthenewdrug.com

    #PornKillsLove
     
  5. Dear Fra888333,

    You say that you don't aim to eliminate porn, just to restrict it. You know what? I wouldn't waste so much time, if I didn't meet porn. So I wouldn't be sad if it was eliminated. I wish we could do it. Now the porn industry is one of the most profitable industries and they are very powerful at the moment and they keep growing. So, like you say it doesn't seem realistic to ban porn for good. But you put out very clever ideas. Something needs to be done.
     
  6. karyehs

    karyehs Member

    Hahaha, seriously?

    You want to give up freedom for security? It is hard to believe how little you respect your own freedom and the freedom of your peers and spouses.

    Porn is not thr problem. Addictive personalities are the problem. Some time ago a study was posted here, that showed that cocaine addicted rats stop consuming (even with withdrawal) as soon they get integrated in a larger group.

    When they were alone, they pressed the button for the fix or drank from the drugged water.

    Porn abuse is a symptom.

    I regret abusing it, but I don't regret finding it. I wanted to see beautifull naked women... And who are you to prohibit something as basic as this?

    If you want to get rid of porn; you have to prohibit clothing for women. From a young age.

    It just wouldn't be that interesting anymore if we see it every hour every day. (look at tribes, if the female breast is alwas visible, it is not sexualized)

    Porn gave me the opportunity to learn about the female anatomy at a young age without stress.
     
  7. Loleekins

    Loleekins Nemo repente fuit turpissimus

    The freedom argument is an old one. The problem with porn is that it bypasses the speech center and neocortex and acts on areas of the brain that are all response. It takes 3/10ths of a second for porn imagery to register in the emotional response centers of the brain, bypassing higher thought.

    "Anatomically the emotional system can act independently of the neocortex. Some emotional reactions and emotional memories can be formed without any conscious, cognitive participation at all. The amygdala can house memories and response repertoires that we enact without quite realizing why we do so because the shortcut from thalamus to amygdala completely bypasses the neocortex. This bypass seems to allow the amygdala to be a repository for emotional impressions and memories that we have never known about in full awareness."

    Pro porn is most often argued as "free speech" or as "free expression", but it can be successfully argued by science that porn bypasses those areas of brain related to speech, thought, etc making it a psychopharmacological drug with instant results. Quicker working than any street drug that must be processed by the body before first having effect. Porn affects the brain within fractions of a second.

    Most boys start porn at 12. This number is the average based on years of study. At 12 they do not have the ability to know addictive from not addictive. They are not fully apprised of or aware of the consequences. Just like they make piss poor judgment calls with drugs if given the opportunity, jump off buildings, climb to the tops of trees, jump bikes over ramps, crash and break their legs. Why? Because the brains of children are under-developed. Not done yet. The brain isn't done 'cooking' until age 25. The last part of the brain to reach maturity is the prefrontal cortex. This part of the brain is where a majority of the executive functions are located.

    Boys at 12 are typically completely unaware of having a "addictive personality".

    http://www.drjudithreisman.com/archives/brain.pdf

    Okay, now I feel like a big ol' geek, but I love science!

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  8. Choice-R-Us

    Choice-R-Us New Member

    But it is not about the actual speech or information processing in the brain.... It is about the right of freedom of speech and freedom of expression, which means freedom from government imposed censorship.

    Anti-porn has as an unavoidable consequence the call for some form of censorship. The current "neuroscience" based approach to anti-porn calls it a "public health issue", just read the arguments of the decency group National Center on Sexual Exploitation (ex Morality in Media) which are being presented to lawmakers.
    http://globenewswire.com/news-release/2015/07/13/751562/10141431/en/Movement-to-End-Sexual-Exploitation-Arrives-at-the-U-S-Capitol.html

    As the pro-porn feminists say: Anti-Porn is the Theory, Repression is the Practice.
     
  9. Loleekins

    Loleekins Nemo repente fuit turpissimus

    Gotcha, which is why I clearly said freedom of expression as well as speech. It is about processing. No processing, no freedom. The point is the very fact that it bypasses areas of the brain that allow the very freedom you want. There is no choice in insta-response. No choice=no freedom.

    Free speech/expression exceptions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions

    I don't find this incredibly out of line. It has impact on public health. Why are we all here on this forum? Why are men (and some women) going through this? Why is pied a thing? Desensitization? Isolation? Escalation? Social inability? Chronic Prostatitis? Premature ejaculation? Delayed ejaculation? Addiction? All these items are either mentally or physically health related.

    Then there's the argument of law. Prostitution is illegal in most states.
    http://prostitution.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000119
    pros·ti·tu·tion
    ˌprästəˈt(y)o͞oSH(ə)n/
    noun
    The practice or occupation of engaging in sexual activity with someone for payment.

    We all know studio porn is prostitution by definition. It is sex for a monetary exchange. The only thing that makes it different from a hooker on a street corner? A camera and mass distribution.

    At any rate, my concern in all this is for children. Children who cannot make adult decisions. Children that don't understand consequence of actions. I've read way too many sad stories here and elsewhere about men that got hooked up on this shit at 10, 12, 13...and had no clue in their child minds that this was harmful in anyway. They responded immediately as porn is intended to do, got the rush, got the arousal, and got hooked via repetition. After, they suffered the mental/emotional/physical effects of their actions for years. And struggle to break free of it.

    Make it so porn is adult access only, get rid of all the free tube sites and the like, and I'm a happy girl. Credit card access strictly. Leave adult decisions to adults. If a grown man wants to jerk his dick until it falls off, that's his decision. But a child with no knowledge of consequence - much different story to me.
     
  10. MwC

    MwC Member

    Certainly agree that the main point is keeping PORN from kids. If PORN is the first sexual education a young boy get he risk being hooked and destroyed sexually for life. To the endless frustration of himself and future partners.

    I do belive it is very hard to avoid beeing drawn to it, at least if you used a lot of time watching porn in the past. How you respond to this urge is 100% up to you. Everyone has urges and desiers that need to be supressed, and I do not think porn is different.

    Maiking porn into this "all powerfull mind conrolling adiction" just creates a excuse not to do what we all feel is right. To quit watching it!
     
  11. Loleekins, i would like to thank you for not being silent in front of these porn-defenders. And i definately agree with you.
     
  12. YellowMinion

    YellowMinion Member

    Banning porn is futile. It'll be a complete waste of police resources to try to enforce it, too.

    It's easy for us to say that porn shouldn't exist, but there are lots of lonely people out there that are or feel undesirable rarely if ever have sex (and good sex at that) and porn is the only avenue to sexual activity they can experience. And you know what, that's not our business deny them from the closes thing they'll ever get to sex even if it's bad for them. What if someone wanted to ban your favorite guilty unhealthy pleasure?

    As with most things, banning isn't the solution, education is.
    If as an American society we can get past our inability to discuss sex without mixing religion into it (or religion preventing the discussion) then we could educate (mostly men) at a young age of the psychological damage it does. Also teach parents to have no shame in intruding on their children's privacy to police it and educate them. The evils of porn should be discussed in sex education and sex education should be taught. There should be public awareness campaigns.
    If you're going to legislate, require all porn sites to post a big banner at the top explaining that porn can result in impotence and link to a site that educates why. At least then you get it in front of the porn users that might go read this info on occasion.

    If someone told me at 12 years old that porn would make me impotent by 20 years old, I'd probably have avoided it. Fortunately that was 1982 for me and I was luck to get my hands on a VHS tape or a magazine, not internet porn.

    Not only that, but there are couples out there that use porn with their sexual activity and how intimate, loving, and beautiful sex is or isn't to them is none of our business. If they want rauncy and perverted sex, then that's up to them. I don't know if using porn in the bedroom is damaging the way porn is when masturbating solo, but I doubt it is (at least not nearly as much.)

    My ability to have a logical debate shuts down pretty fast when people talk about banning something.
    Ban soda, ban drugs, ban cigarettes, ban alcohol, ban leaf blowers, ban cell phones, ban google glass. I've heard proposals to ban all of those things. Yes, maybe if cell phones didn't exist I wouldn't have had my car rear-ended 4 times in 6 years (people looking down at phones.) It almost happened again this morning.
    If anything, like drugs porn would create a lucrative underground black market because people will get what they want, and they want porn.

    Not to mention, it's already illegal for children (under 18.) It's already banned for them.

    Porn is banned in china, I believe, and it works there because the government controls the internet (and that's not a good thing.) Japan has censored porn, but I don't think that does any good.
    Not to mention it really is a freedom of speech issue. If you don't think it is, go watch The People vs Larry Flint.

    So let's look at pragmatic solutions about education. It's almost always a better solution. You won't get everyone but if you get the word out at least kids would understand that it's unhealthy. I didn't know it was unhealthy until this year and that's messed up. If it was banned, I'd have just found a way past the ban unless you were able to explain to me that it's banned because it makes you impotent.
     
  13. Foxhunter

    Foxhunter Deflect & Parry

    This is the the current problem with religion, which the world will finally come around to in about 5,000 years.
     
  14. Kali D

    Kali D New Member

    It's all about education. Education, education, education.

    We now know and have enough evidence of the implications of porn. But the masses don't. Sex education is very bad these days with many children finding online porn before they've even had a talk at school about their own genitals!!! You'll never ban porn or entirely eliminate it, and people will always be free to watch it if they wish. But like many of you say, if only you knew about implications of porn you may have stayed clear or at the very least, been cautious/careful about your watching habits. But you didn't know, no one informed you, you had no warning! But now we can give warning, there does need to be a conscious movement to talk more about porn, to explain its pitfalls and its joys, and all that really comes down to is education! We just need to get the conversation going to the wider population and not just those suffering from it!
     
  15. Loleekins

    Loleekins Nemo repente fuit turpissimus

    Agreed. The problem with this education initiative is the masses of opponents in the porn corner who will stand on soapboxes and crow about how porn is beneficial. Any talk of it being problematic is shot down immediately. You see, porn is not the problem, YOU are. You are the deficient one, the one with psychological issues, the one with addictive tendencies, the one with the unfulfilled life that makes porn a problem. Not the other way around. Porn is not to blame, it is all you. Add on top of this the myriad so called "experts" that tout the benefits of porn in "spicing up your relationship" or "enhancing your alone time". Stir in a healthy dollop of "ohmuhgerd CENSORSHIP!" paranoia from the anything and everything is okay crowd, and you've got a huge stew of shit that disables the education process.

    It's victim blaming, and they are pro at it.

    At this point all you can really do is instruct your children and hope they listen.
     
  16. himmelstoss

    himmelstoss Member

    Some of the porn stars are "sex educators" themselves although I'm not sure in what capacity. So the porn companies actively control the discourse just like all the other enemies of masculinity.
     
  17. Loleekins

    Loleekins Nemo repente fuit turpissimus

    This is horrifying. Rather like getting prescription medicine advice from J-Dawg, the corner smack dealer. ???
     
  18. Ex-Addict

    Ex-Addict Member

    Education is the way forward, as always. I remember when I started watching it at 14 - I was relatively late in starting - and I occasionally realised that although it was 'normal' for my generation to watch it, there had been a time, long ago when people had survived, somehow, without their high speed drug. I had a religious upbringing, no proper sex ed at school apart from one science lesson, so my teenage brain was totally unprepared to deal with it. My education about sex was 99% from porn. Everytime I was alone in the house, PMO was the first thing I would do, before cramming in some school work before parents were back. And they had no idea at all. Still don't.

    I'm British and in many ways feel that this country is one of the least likely to deal with it properly - we have a culture of emotional repression left over from the 'stiff upper lip' mentality, coupled with the rigidity of Protestantism. I was taught that sex is never discussed and something embarrassing and shameful (partly because of teaching at my faith school). Then the other extreme that millions have pursued is to break from this and take as liberal a position as possible, in which to NOT watch porn is unhealthy and a sign of repression or prudishness.

    We need education about porn in ALL schools, which will be difficult here as the majority of schools will fight against it. It will happen in time, but it requires a discourse from which a movement can be developed,which is forward thinking and liberal yet sees porn as harmful.

    Lastly, the insidiousness of this is that it is an addiction that 99% will not admit in public - who here would post on Facebook that they are fighting it? Yet we can openly discuss nicotine addiction and, although to a lesser extent, alcohol and drug addiction.
     
  19. smrsmr

    smrsmr New Member

  20. Evolution

    Evolution Member

    Haven't read the whole thread but I agree there should be a ciggerette like health warning that it is not good to pmo all the time. It seems obvious but it wasn't when I started when I was 14.
     

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