Anyone MGTOW?

Discussion in 'Social Advice' started by Amaris, Aug 17, 2016.

  1. Johhny Bravo

    Johhny Bravo Every temptation is another chance of life revival

    Doesnt matter what the ideology is. Any ideology is dogmatic. I cant tell you what it is. Dont know enough about it.

    If MGTOW helps the individual, good. But the individual must not be swallowed by the ocean of thought.

    Yes many feminist are also bitter and their food has no more spice in it. Feminists and labels like this, if someone wears it, these people are never happy. Angry.

    Redpill is toxic because it labels people as competitive, blood thirsty animals that are driven by nothing more than their DNA. Hypergamy is just an opinion but RedPill disputes it as fact. People are humans.

    The solution is to be a human and not buy into ideologies that support scarcity and limited availability of Life or endorse how tough and hard the world is.

    The 21 convention...Ive never seen so many serious, beaten down, heavy, depressed men. The atmosphore is gloomy as.

    Yes female idiots and manipulators exist. Some can do cruel things. MGTOW is a good spotter of this and is what the pickup community always lacked.

    If MGTOW helps the individual, it is good. But one must break free of it and see beyond it and think for themselves.

    Someone who thinks for themselves wont label themself as mgtow.
     
  2. Rick_C137

    Rick_C137 New Member

    Ok, I guess I can agree to this. It's not good to become radical in any ideology.

    Anyway, red pill is for me the reaction to decade long brainwashing and telling bullshit, mostly by society, schools and media
    and finally telling just basic facts & the truth.
    MGTOW looked for me like the just the cold rationalisation that western society doesn't care about men and men are better served to look after their own wellbeing. I don't see a problem there.

    I had a short chat with some others about that as well and the result was, that MGTOW is not an ideology. It's more like guidance. Look rationally at the cards you were dealt. And now decide for yourself, what you will do.

    But if you don't know the movement in detail, then you can't criticise it.
    Did you watch the two mentioned intro videos ? Do you have any arguments against what is said there ?

    I'd say metoo, the divorce rates, family courts, etc are saying something different.
    But again, there may be exceptions to the rule, yes. I don't dispute that, but I wont base my worldview on exceptions.
    I just stick to the most rational explanation which fits the data. Nothing more, nothing less.
    You're free to do the same.

    Sorry, even Stefan Molyneux said this in many of his videos. Scarcity of ressources is the base of our life and by denying it, you're denying reality. Especially in the northern hemisphere, where you have only half the year for agriculture and you have to plan accordingly.
    And printing money wont solve the problem. That just defers it.

    To this 21 convention thing. Haven't heard of this yet. I just looked it up. Looks like some fuss/hype, some guys got together and hijacking the label to make money. This is already one bad sign.
    Basically same as with PUA before ...

    But labeling / judging / shaming them as beaten down, heavy, depressed wont help you nor them. Instead, you should ask yourself or them, what happened to them. Why did they become that way.

    If you actually listened to what the main channels are saying, you'd know, that they empower the men to self-actualise. Idk why someone would say that this is bad. It is exactly that: It is your life. Think for yourself and do what you want to do. (While warning you of the laws & society)
    And many men, if done correctly, drop "the label" sooner or later and just leave.
    Or they stay to help other men.
     
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  3. Johhny Bravo

    Johhny Bravo Every temptation is another chance of life revival

     
  4. Johhny Bravo

    Johhny Bravo Every temptation is another chance of life revival

    Yeah I think conditioning to people in general is bad.

    Good points.
     
  5. Ruhtra

    Ruhtra Member

    I used to be a misogynist/MGTOW but not anymore. What changed my mind was spending more time with real women, flirting etc.
     
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  6. Johhny Bravo

    Johhny Bravo Every temptation is another chance of life revival

    Yes I also observed this.

    Men who dont talk with women alot weirdly 'float' over to the MGTOW ideas.

    Men who talk to a variety of women frequently make their own conclusions.

    Just my observation. Everyone is unique.

    I respect Paul Elam and admire him, though I do not consume his content these days.
     
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  7. Outis

    Outis New Member

    I've been going my own direction the past 3 years or so. I was so disillusioned by women that I just closed myself off completely to them. After doing that for a while, though, you still find yourself wanting companionship. But every time I encounter a woman, I remember how superficial, impatient, snippy, and manipulative they can be. That said, I took the black pill for a while and it just leads to feeling hopeless and empty.
    I like what you say about a middle ground OP, so I am trying to turn my black pill more purple as of now. But, at the same time, it's like maybe one day I will be surprised and find intimate companionship with a genuine, witty, beautiful woman I find attractive.
    in the same way maybe I'll wake up one day and the sky will be green. Being objective and going off my own personal experience leads me to believe it will most certainly be blue.
    But, like I said, trying to find the middle ground haha.
     

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