Hi, really cool that there is one MGTOW thread. Maybe we can ressurect it a bit. The last weeks I delved deep into the MGTOW community, and it puzzled me for a while, but they make a rational argument there. I think Sandman and TFM made a good intro videos for that philosophy and I think we should get rid of the notion of MGTOW = "woman hating". Ok, maybe there some guys in the rage phase, who post some stupid shit, but that's not the general attitude of MGTOW. The rest of your post is very accurate. You just have to evaluate the following things from an rational perspective: "love and marriage and idealistic end" is this societal fairy tale, "not chasing women to my detriment,being rejected, submitting to marriage" mkaes sense and sounds like you freed yourself from the plantation, "marriage (bad business deal for men)" is exactly true.