leannfit is fathomer's alter ego account (for whatever reason). What? You are wrong about insoluble fiber being useless, where did you get that idea? Read your link lol. It proves exactly what I said, including a nice overview of all the vitamins in whole grains and this little gem: This could almost be in a book about logic. All men are mortal, Socrates is a man, thus Socrates is mortal. Insoluble fiber prevents heart disease, wheat contains insoluble fiber, thus wheat prevents heart disease (=is good). Maybe quote everything, not just one sentence, and even if theoretically insoluble fiber in whole grains was useless, it seems a bit intellectually dishonest and weird to use a site as evidence for one single claim you make, yet ignore all the other claims on that site that disprove your position (e.g. all the benefits of whole grains that are written endlessly about on that link). I guess they are wrong about all of that, but are an authority on insoluble fiber. I hope I am being gentle enough . As to either/or, I dont get your reasoning at all. Do you only eat 500 kcal a day? I can eat 5 kg of tomatoes, 1 kg of onions and still eat a slice of whole wheat bread. And obviously, if you make low carb a requirement, you cant eat a lot of whole grains, but I hope I was able to show you that low carb is not a requirement of a healthy diet. As to 2b) the point was that there was no evidence in human trials for any negative effect of WGA (and only absurd amounts in mice). In short, WGA is no problem at all, the risk is the same as being afraid to go outside because lightning could kill you (or maybe aliens abducting you is closer probablity-wise). So eat whole grains, they're good for you.