This is the assertion that I strongly disagree with. I gave you some sources on why Ayurveda -- if used specifically as a treatment -- does not cure anything and is pseudoscience, as one example of alternative medicine not being able to treat diseases (which you ignored). I really want to know which chronic diseases can be treated by traditional chinese or alternative medicine that Western medicine can't cure? AND NOT AS PREVENTION because we can do the same prevention without TCM (dont smoke, work out etc). Cancer? No way. Diabetes? No way. Chronic pain? MAYBE, but as I made clear in my last post, relaxation or meditation is nothing Eastern, but cross-cultural; on the other hand, I see people getting addicted to painkillers yet not to chinese herbs, so what's more effective? What else? Mental illness / neurological issues / strokes? I seriously doubt this, I will trust a brain surgeon more than some yogi who stands on one leg for 7 years in order to reach enlightenment. I want to know this because it is a huge and extreme assumption you made, and I will look up if the research confirms this and if so, I will change my mind. My general stance is different from what you think though. I do care about prevention, that's why I am so against clean eating and proper diet in general because it only plays a tiny role in preventing diseases. I've mentioned what the causes of chronic diseases are (in that order): genetics, smoking, obesity, stress/isolation, being inactive and also drugs/alcohol that I am not sure where they'd fall. There is really not much debate possible about those factors, only about how important each is and I might certainly be wrong about that, but the risk of smoking, being overweight, stress and so on is very well-established, far beyond reasonable doubt. So what we need to do to prevent disease is quite obvious*, just not how to get people to do it (your point in the previous post about McDonalds). I have no idea how to do this. I tried some things to get my grandma to lose weight (which she wanted), but it completely failed, even easy steps like just writing down her food intake (one behavior shared by millions of people who have lost and maintained their weights in that one big US database). What is not obvious is how to treat those diseases. Chemotherapy is not very effective (though it's the best treatment available), we have no solutions for chronic mental/neurological illnesses despite lots of research, there are plenty of diseases that are less in the spotlight that we cant deal with properly (MS maybe) etc etc. But this is not my pay grade and I can only wait for western medicine to make progress here. * at least to the degree that disease is based on lifestyle and not genetic. There is certainly a lot of potential in DNA testing for disease and eliminating " cancer genes" and so on, but I think it's very speculative at this point. Oh, but the health of the Aryuvedan population (according to you: no heart disease) says a lot about the quality of the Aryuveda medicine theory? I think you're unfair on doctors and researchers. Yes there are idiots and manipulators, but come on -- everyone knows that smoking is bad, even the least educated people have come across health warnings (unless they cant read their cigarette labels) on TV, in newspapers, in school. Yet still many people do it, but you cant fault doctors or medicine for that. As I said above, the preventative lifestyle is pretty well-established, except maybe in the real of nutrition (which as you know I believe has very little effect save for 1-2 stupid things like not eating any vegetables or eating only trans fats). As to natural movements, I maintain the belief that most is bullshit and they are only right by chance. I've read enough buddhist and hindu texts and they are mostly completely off about how the body and mind work, and occasionally right by accident (they couldnt have known because they didnt even know vitamins, so how else but luck could some monk have come to the recommendation to eat fruit?).