A lost boy's journey through dark woods towards real manhood and integrity

Discussion in 'Ages 40+' started by titan_transcendence, Jul 22, 2016.

  1. Saville

    Saville Well-Known Member

    We know you are not a loser, TT. You are going through a tough time. It's great that you came here and dumped your feelings. Coming here actually shows that you still care about recovering. No one can pick you up, my friend. We are here for you, but you have to do the heavy lifting yourself...you are more than strong enough.
     
  2. titan_transcendence

    titan_transcendence Well-Known Member

    Thanks, Saville. I have been stuck in the negativity for some time now. It come way too natural for me to start brooding things and slowly sink in the dark moods. Actually many things are good in my life now, there is nothing to worry, not any big problems currently. Im just stuck in my own head, closed myself from the world. The crushing, belittling voice is always there and if I start to heed its "truths", the depression always manages to bring me down. Then I live my life as with closed shades, skirting any change for happiness. Human mind works in curious ways.

    Saville, what you said is the truth about the matter. People are out there, you good folks in this site, other in the wide world, just waiting for me to approach them and share my thoughts. By closing down and dwelling in my loneliness will not change things, ever.
    Its just that there is so little to be proud of. Im shamed of myself, even this depression feels like Im just pampered brat complaining about nothing and I have not even seen how painful burdens many people are carrying in their shoulders, yet enjoying their life best they can..
     
  3. Saville

    Saville Well-Known Member

    We are allowed to feel down, TT. We are allowed to feel shame and we are allowed whine. Living a modern life, where we don't have to eke out a living in the forest has made us all confused.

    You know that I think the way forward is always with a action. A walk each day, some exercise, a bit of this and a bit of that. You went to a meeting a few months ago, I forget what it was for, but perhaps that might be something to try again. Going out to the bar drinking doesn't seem to work for you; I know it doesn't work for me. Alcohol keeps people like us stuck.

    Don't think too much. The way forward is, well, forward. :)
     
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  4. dig deep

    dig deep must stop wasting my life on porn

    Saville is right action is the key just doing something anything just simple things like cook yourself a nice breakfast then wash up then a shower and a short walk, that will give you a good start to the day, not rushing around trying to get everything done just nice and slow and try it with headphones in apart from music you can listen audio stories or podcasts on whatever interests you.
    After my last relapse I have blocked youtube not just because of the porn subs on there but also all the other crap I'd watch and watch and there is all ways another video to see it just such a waste of time and it's like I get hypnotised by it and then I procrastinate and nothing gets done and all the little things I haven't done build up then I feel worse in myself.
     
  5. titan_transcendence

    titan_transcendence Well-Known Member

    Day 2 without P - Yes even against all odds Im trying again!

    I consider this to be day 2 without use, even that I opened one sex cam site last midnight, watched it like one minute and then closed it to go to rest.
    Somehow, I try to attain the amount of cleanliness if not for else than purity's sake. I feel more calm without use, I know it.
    That said, Im still beset in very melancholic mood. I listen most sorrowful music that I can find most of the time, I linger in moods of loss and mourning of something.. Some way I feel like this is part of my identity, and I can not know what happiness means?
    I have been quite isolated lately, but still done some good things as well. My dieting goes well and I managed to stop my binge-eating habit. Im jogging again, doing yoga daily, going to gym regularly. I have enjoyed time with my cat, and started to go outside for little walks with him. The cat is so overtly happy with that change It feels good to me also. I have wrote with some women online with meager results. There is one quite interesting woman who seems to match in many things with myself even if I have had not any expectations at all when started to write with her. I take my time of just writing with her, because she can write fluently and have some interesting thoughts. I feel no rush at all to arrange meetings and she seems to go along at same lines with that.
    Then the bad. I have used some P quite regularly, almost every day. I also have managed to reawaken my old fetish thoughts. Its the nature of this addiction that little by little the things starts to escalate. I also miss still my former ex, dearly. I do not want to go back with her, but I feel that my heart still will belong to her. I do not know how to find a room for anyone else in it.. I can not understand the desperate aspect of this love that I feel to her. She seems more happy now, in her new relationship, even if the guy is quite a brute. They have very passionate relationship, but Im not envious of it, just happy if she is happy. She is still as a kind of best friend to me, contacting me daily, sharing her day.
    Also, I still feel totally stuck in my social life. I feel not adequate to any jobs, I have hardly any self-esteem at all. What I feel inside is more like a contempt, deep self loathing, self-hatred even. Im not happy with myself. Its very difficult to feel positive of myself and to love myself - hardly possible. I can not understand why I sunk this low again, I felt genuinely better at the start of this year.


    Saville and Dig Deep, I know you are right. I tend to over-think things. It should just be simple every day chores and tasks, without thinking that seems to work best. But in my nature is very strong need for deep, resolute answers of what to do of my life? Why Im living, what for? How to live and what to accomplish? What is the meaning of all that is called my existence, do it matter at all or is it of utmost importance to use your time productively and enjoy our passing moments fully?
    There is this constant fight inside of me between the cynic and the other side, who thinks that life is beyond precious and I should not waste another moment of it.
     
  6. Saville

    Saville Well-Known Member

    So, there are some difficult things and some positive stuff. This is our human condition.

    I only have one strategy and that is to keep building on the positives and feeling good about our small successes. We also have to push ourselves a little bit, as well. It doesn't have to be a sudden overhaul of our lives, but without at least a bit of effort nothing will happen. This week push just a wee bit harder.
     
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  7. Libertad

    Libertad Well-Known Member

    Hi TT, how are things going?
     
  8. titan_transcendence

    titan_transcendence Well-Known Member

    Hi Libertad, thanks for asking. Things are not going so well.. I feel like basically given up rebooting and trying to better my life.. I feel so stuck and unable to think how to change things. I am too introverted, too weird and sullen guy for any relationship so I have given up even a thought about one. Thats the main reason I have been using P like in old days. I simply do not care or think that it would make an difference. Like I would have done full circle to be back where it all begun.
    I also have had an bout of anxiety again, because my former ex are having a new relationship with a unstable, violent guy. There has been many cases of domestic violence in it, and once my ex even feared for her life and called an police (and me afterwards). I know that its her choice and I should not mess up with it, but cant help to feel general anxiety and worry about my ex for time to time.

    I do no know how to find motivation in my life again. Been exercising and stuff but it do not seem to help. Theres this profound feel of just giving up and I do not know how to feel any different.
     
  9. Libertad

    Libertad Well-Known Member

    Hi TT, as you know, I´m no expert and only a guy who is Fighting himself to get his life on track and is still single. This is only my opinion for whatever it is worth to you.
    Beeing in your Position Right now, I would not think About a future relationsship. This seems like too big of a step from the Situation we are in when we are still addicted to PMO, at least for me it was the case. Maybe give yourself a year clean from PMO before even thinking about getting another girlfriend. Concentrate on yourself, like Saville told us many times. What do you think? Also from what I read in your previous Posts, the relationsship with your ex seems a bit like a narcissistic abusive one. Has she ever made an effort to help you in any way? There are a lot of good Videos on Youtube which explain what narcissistic abuse and gaslighting can do to you over time till you dont trust yourself and your thoughts and Feelings any more and feel worthless. I learned a lot from them.
    I found a good Youtuber, the guy is not much older then we, around 50 and he makes Videos over what he learned in his life. I find him very motivational and wise for a lot of Topics of life even he can be very harsh and spot on, he dont gives a shit about excuses. Here are two of his Videos, the first one is about Breaking up and the second one talks About a mans Actions. Enjoy. Please dont take it the wrong way. I´m in the process myself and sometimes I still feel worthless. But despite of that, I feel a lot better than like six months ago. All the best for you and your journey. You can do it man.
     
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  10. Saville

    Saville Well-Known Member

    I just watched the video on TT wall about Defeatists. It's very good. Def worth a watch. Defeatists can be friends, colleagues, and most especially wives. He says the motivation of the Defeatist is fear: fear that you'll make it, fear that you'll move beyond them. I'm shit sure we all know a few of these. Of course, the first ones are always the parents. My mom hated the thought of any of her children outstripping her and so she tried to keep us all on the farm. She was a master manipulator, even though she didn't realize what she was doing, because she was also defeated by others. Wives, partners, can easily bring us down. They might want us to make more money, but at the same time they are capsizing the joy in our life, sucking the enthusiasm out of the room.

    I was just looking to boost a few post, to kind of get the forum going, but shit, this kind of thing is really good. It's kind of made my night, tbh. :)

    TT, sup, my brother. We've all had our ups and downs. It would be great to hear from you, even if it is not all roses and honey.
     
  11. Saville

    Saville Well-Known Member

    The funny thing is, I wouldn't have given the guy in that video a minute of my time before I came here. He is operating in a sphere that I don't really inhabit. He sounds like a braggart, a know-it-all, a guy who hasn't read the Classics. But, that's what a defeated person would think. I was rather smug about certain aspects of my education and knowledge before. I was a highly critical person, who spent far too much time thinking about what other people weren't doing. Yes, I knew I wasn't doing my shit, but I had excuses for those, and when the excuses weren't working I had P and M and sexting and cheating.

    I don't agree with his last statement that men are the only ones on this planet that can think without emotion. I think that is just red pill rhetoric, but what he's saying about defeatists and the doubting voices in our own heads is bang on, in my estimation. I thought if I had better health, more support from my parents and wife, that I would have really made something of myself. Oops, that is just so wrong. I'm the one responsible for getting my shit done, regardless of my life circumstances.
     
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  12. Boxer17

    Boxer17 Active Member

    Spot on Saville!
     
  13. titan_transcendence

    titan_transcendence Well-Known Member

    Hi guys. I could copy/paste my latest post and it would tell exactly how I am. Not used so much P anymore.. because sexuality feels not part of my life anyways. Lost most interest towards it. Maybe few times a week and only very short sessions. My average PMO/MO has been like 1/week. Feel not so addicted but quite defeated in other aspects of my life. I just live quite solitary life with my cat and wait for old age and death.
     
  14. GreyHeron

    GreyHeron Active Member

    Hi TT, it is good that you have posted to the board. We know where you are, some of us can say that they have been there and you can believe them.
    Can you socialise more? Yoga, running or another hobby something regular to encourage you to turn out when you would rather not. Keep finding things to be grateful for, just simple things, your cat for example. Remember, in other parts of the world someone might be really pleased to have that which you take for granted.

    Truly I hope that you start to soar soon.
     
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  15. Saville

    Saville Well-Known Member

    There's no secret to a better life. It's really just plodding along and making slightly better decisions than the day before. There isn't one of us who is a hopeless cause.

    I read self-help books voraciously (sound familiar) looking for the magic bullet that would transform my life and allow me to reach my goals. I've discovered, I think, that just doing small actions leads to change. I don't say big change, because that is the realm of fantasy, of desire. I just mean simple tasks, like cleaning up the garage, or a part of it, or going for a bit longer walk than usual.

    We all have moments when things feel rather bleak and dull. However, I think we also all have moments where we feel a bit more inspired than usual and it is during these times that we can push ourselves a little bit; this is how momentum starts.
     
  16. Joshua Shea

    Joshua Shea Active Member

    I was this exact way for years with therapy...just waiting for the silver bullet piece of advice or the proper anti-depressant to put my life in complete order. I think the day I realized that was never coming was both deflating and illuminating. I found once I realized the work to change was on my shoulders, I felt in far more control of my destiny, both with the little things and the big.
     
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  17. Caoimhín

    Caoimhín Winter's coming...

    Hey Transcendant - Nice to meet you on the forums. I have not read everything (cos your journal is voluminous!!) but what I did read ressembles my situation. But there are a few diffences. I have really redirected myself into new hobbies and challenges whilst at the same time quietly closing the door on any hope of a sexual or intimate relationship. To me, the relationship is doomed until I come to some kind of peace with myself. But there are many other things that actually fill the void caused by no-woman-no-porn and I play soccer a couple times a week, am learning an instrument and another language, exploring spirituality, etc.

    But before I got there, I came through 10-15 years of crushing depression and constant regret about not having a partner / family. Sex does not feel like a real part of my life either ... just something I do like shit or pee.

    I am just commiserating with you but I hope you continue to express yourself. You live in your head... like me. It's a dark place and you need to drag yourself out into the sun!!
     
  18. Saville

    Saville Well-Known Member

    Well, the sun is waiting TT! Is it going to be poor me, my cat and death, or, what the fuck, let's try journaling again?
     
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  19. titan_transcendence

    titan_transcendence Well-Known Member

    Thanks, Greyheron, Joshua, Saville and Caoimhín. I would surely lose nothing by trying some write something here again. This year has not started so good way at all. Slowly I have drifted to be more and more isolated, driving away new contacts, giving up even trying to socialize. I do not know why I feel like this. Its just some profound feel inside that this is all there is for me, why to bother anymore. Days slip by whether I make effort or not. My therapy's funding ended at the start of this year too, and I said to my therapist too that surely I will slowly sink back to the mire of depression without its help. Thats exactly what has happened now and there seems no hope for more therapy anymore, due to financial reasons.
    It just felt so huge let down all this single life after the quite miserable 15 year long relationship. I expected the freedom to finally made up the lost life. But it all came to big disappointment. Im surely not any better socializing than before, and it seems trying to find a new partner of even a one night stand is beyond my abilities. I feel like I was in my early twenties, when I lived with my parents as a social recluse.
    I know that without my effort, nothing will ever change. But part of my has given up to even try and other part which have still some fight left do not know where and how to start.
    I also think that many things can be explained by this diagnose: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avoidant_personality_disorder
     
  20. Caoimhín

    Caoimhín Winter's coming...

    Do not discount the time of year! Winter can knock the stuffing out of some people. It does to me. But, without the money to do something about it, we have to just bide our time. Just try and get it out of your system by writing about it. I know that it is not easy to suddenly start changing your behaviours, worse when you feel down. Bloody mire, isn't it. But there are guys here who will listen.
     

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